Surely this is a false dichotomy

Well you can take a centrist stance on individualism/collectivism if you like

well market isnt exactly free with food production here is it? government subsidises farmers all the time.

@Frost509 the market isnt very free anywhere

but its much fairer in food production than most any industry at least

It's not a false dichotomy, it's a scale. The more you demand that the individual wants and needs be put above the collective, the more individualist you are.

And, a collective is a *collection* of individuals so wouldn’t collectivism simply be individualism added up?

the great depression/dust bowl was self inflicted via govt intervention. The markets was recovering BEFORE the govt stepped in to 'fix' the problem. It was only after the govt stepped in did the great depression really kick off. Learn history plz

You're quite literally talking out of your ass at this pt

if you consider soldiers in a major war

i wasnt really making any kind of point just pointing it out since the conversation is about starvation and free markets

> And, a collective is a *collection* of individuals so wouldn’t collectivism simply be individualism added up?
No, lol

or was

are they collectivists for risking their lives for their countries?

because they arent deserting?

@Frost509 the subsidies are recent anyway

the great depression era was much freer than todays farms

You have to learn to make a distinction between the presence of a collective, and the ideology of collectivism. Likewise there's a difference between the lack of a collective, and the ideology of individualism.

and look how that went

individuals protecting the land that protects the ability to be an individual? maybe

and etbrood you are retarded

no u

there is literally no point to using the term collectivism

because it isnt real

wrong

lol

lul

you need some kind of thing to be the collective

otherwise it is a worthless arbitrary concept

Collectivism is an ideology, not a thing

theyre trying to teach collectivism in the elementary math classes in my state so i think its a thing

you are going to have varying degrees of loyalty to any chosen "collective"

lumping it all up and calling it collective is what a sub human negro would do

Plus society doesn’t have to either be “individualism” or “collectivism” it can have parts that are one way or another. The military, police and intelligence agencies are collectivistic while other parts of society are not this way.

Well I have no loyalty to any collective. I have loyalty to a small number of individuals.

Mainly my family and friends.

so

A society isn’t a monolith

a collective

Nope.

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