You have no right to ANYTHJNG

if you live in iran you still have free speech... its just not protected

anything can be taken from you

Because different countries are more or less tyrannical. That doesn't mean they grant different rights. An inslamic state that prevents freedom of expression is directly treading on the basic right to such a thing.

that's the state of nature communists seek to return to, PeP

But in a society the govt says “you have the right to this”

That’s where rights come from

It's because of liberalism and the philosophy that was born in England rather than government grants us this

the gov can only say, we will protect this specific right

Eh not gonna get anywhere with this

Gonna agree to disagree

we have the right to defend ourselves in the UK... the gov just doesnt protect this right

But we didn’t even have a CONCEPT of rights for most of the worlds history

It’s all just created

yet they still existed

But they were just there

It’s not a “right”

they were just infringed upen

Obviously your life exists

The question of whether rights are man-made or not is abstract, and rather pointless

English liberalism would argue that these rights have always existed, it was just down to the enlightenment to make sure those rights were protected rather than threatened

Ya Eccles is right tbh

I feel like we are just arguing semantics

its not semantics.. its very specific

Whatever wacka

A right is man made

It's more an argument of philosophy. I take the Lockean stance of natural "God given" rights.

a right is something you yourself can do

whether it's semantics or not, it's not important

Life itself obviously isn’t man made

But defining that as a right

Is man made

I have a right to move my arm in the air

the gov didnt have to legislate for this

I feel like we are arguing different things now tbh

the gov could legislate.. and say, we are no longer allowing people to move their arms

they havent just created a right... theyve only infringed on an existing right

The whole backbone of what England grew to be is built off the fact that English philosophy sees rights as natural and not man made. Removing something like this opens the door to tyranny, which is why America has their rights, which in tern are taken from the English Bill of rights and other works, enshrined into a written constitution

so healthcare, welfare, education... none of these are rights... they are all "privileges"

that we should be thankful for

It's entirely a philosophy argument, which is why you see banning certain cigarettes as good and I don't. I see it as a stance of an overbearing government, when English liberalism is one that demands and works best with a small government that's here to near enough only protect those rights you're born with. Because of this being born with said rights, it leads us to see other nations that tread on them as tyrannical and morally wrong and infringing on the natural rights of man