I can claim I have a right to anything on the island if I want

so why can't i use any object as i please in a liberal society?

because other people have liberty too, so other things come into play.. like murder... you couldnt do that on an island on your own... but you could think about it.. or talk about it..

yeah, so why can the same thing not apply to speech?

because you can do all of those things on the island

even if you take a hardline stance predicated on self-ownership, speech is something that physically interacts with another person's body

yeah and on an island you can use any object as you please

yeah

but you cant take it from anyone

there is not really any such thing as "property", as property is an exclusionary concept

but cant hurt anyone with it

on an island on your own, you cant take property from anyone else

why can you own property in the first place

ownership is exclusionary

you can't exclude anyone from using anything in a scenario where you're the only person

but nobody owns your opinions

it's not the opinion that's being punished necessarily, but you expressing it

i mean you could argue that intent plays a factor, but that's true of most crimes

I dont really think theres much difference in having and opinion and expressing an opinion

and i mean of course, i don't think liberalism is necessarily contingent on this hardline conception of self-ownership

are you saying everyone should just shut up and not share any opinion in case it offends someone?

of course there's a difference

i'm not saying anybody do anything i'm just saying i don't necessarily think suppression of speech is inherently anti-liberal

its about the most anti-liberal thing I can think of

i mean i think the best argument that it is would be that it infringes on the division between the state and civil society, but of course, there's already precedence for this in things like anti-incitement laws

in some ways it seems like a natural progression of liberalism

Genocide is sometimes the optimal solution, if we had of genocided all the commies, lefties, and righties our society would be much healthier

many old liberals went to the extent of advocating against capitalism on the basis that it interfered with liberty

ie advocating for restrictions in the economic sphere to preserve a greater sum of liberty

moving to civil society seems like a natural progression to me

there you go... storin has a dumbass opinion... he is free to share it

My dumbass opinion is correct <:SmugPepe:510408646807519233>

Murder all the insane people

see... he's not hurting anyone by voicing his opinion

Its not a call to action.... yet.... <:SmugPepe:510408646807519233>

Just a suggestion

are you seriously suggesting it would be the liberal thing to do, to arrest storin now?

aRreSt mE????

<:bootlet:595693013754314752>

that does not sound like a liberal society to me

maybe, though this would be a particularly extreme example