Message from @Kunarian

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2020-01-22 22:59:17 UTC  

They were more like

2020-01-22 22:59:25 UTC  

Im sure people were more like... muh freedom rights

2020-01-22 22:59:29 UTC  

That is precisely how they viewed it

2020-01-22 22:59:30 UTC  

"Ending slavery? Do you know how much I spent on them?"

2020-01-22 22:59:35 UTC  

muh freedom > muh property

2020-01-22 22:59:46 UTC  

Don't conflate the US with the UK

2020-01-22 22:59:59 UTC  

Think about the pushback it would have caused if the government forcibly seized what was seen as property at the time

2020-01-22 23:00:04 UTC  

Their right to not have their property arbitrarily seized by the government was their primary form of freedom

2020-01-22 23:00:22 UTC  

In fact there were many court cases that because the UK was a place where slavery couldn't happen basically the judges ruled that if you brought a slave to the UK they became free.

2020-01-22 23:00:25 UTC  

Im not sure property is even the right term they would have used

2020-01-22 23:00:36 UTC  

I mean, chattel is more likely.

2020-01-22 23:00:41 UTC  

To refer to slaves? It absolutely is

2020-01-22 23:00:44 UTC  

Which is property.

2020-01-22 23:00:49 UTC  

chattel was always illegal in britain

2020-01-22 23:00:55 UTC  

Yup.

2020-01-22 23:01:20 UTC  

A fact that modern lefties ignore because they think American history is UK history.

2020-01-22 23:01:21 UTC  

Yes, but the britain based merchants with ledger books telling them they had 80 slaves on their distant plantation regarded those slaves as their lawful property

2020-01-22 23:01:36 UTC  

and they were until that law

2020-01-22 23:01:58 UTC  

it still doesnt matter anymore - nobody alive today owned slaves

2020-01-22 23:02:15 UTC  

Well the debt mattered

2020-01-22 23:02:27 UTC  

I like the way they frame the debt though

2020-01-22 23:02:36 UTC  

They frame it as debts to slave owners.

2020-01-22 23:02:37 UTC  

I mean I'm arguing that the state seizing property for moral reasons without compensation is not good ever for anything

2020-01-22 23:02:48 UTC  

Rather than a debt to free huge numbers of slaves peacefully.

2020-01-22 23:03:04 UTC  

When has that happened in history?

2020-01-22 23:03:07 UTC  

Rarely.

2020-01-22 23:03:09 UTC  

well pay the debt to the skeletons, there are no slaves alive today either

2020-01-22 23:03:09 UTC  

yeah but system11, we're talking about the compensation... which I had to pay taxes for before 2015

2020-01-22 23:03:25 UTC  

and you paid taxes too for it

2020-01-22 23:03:28 UTC  

It was a debt more likely to randos and foreign treasuries because they paid the owners off on the spot

2020-01-22 23:03:39 UTC  

who cares

2020-01-22 23:03:52 UTC  

we pay for our debts or we don't get to have them

2020-01-22 23:04:23 UTC  

i know, i think its ultimately pointless and incredibly unfair to the vast majority of people in the 'slave owning country' who were just working in factories or whatever and did not in any way own or benefit from slavery

2020-01-22 23:04:34 UTC  

I think the slave owners descendants who inherited their wealth should pay back the 2.4bn to the treasury 😛

2020-01-22 23:04:41 UTC  

I'm happy to have paid taxes for that. I'm happy to pay a share of a debt that lets me live in a society that found the actual just solution to the problem

2020-01-22 23:04:59 UTC  

and also I want a tax rebate 😛

2020-01-22 23:05:16 UTC  

Lol most of those slavers descendants were ravaged by estate taxes in WW1

2020-01-22 23:05:21 UTC  

they paid it back

2020-01-22 23:05:24 UTC  

don't fear that

2020-01-22 23:05:29 UTC  

I dont like the fact that Ive paid money to slave owners

2020-01-22 23:05:31 UTC  

at some point we have to stop trying to retrospectively fix things and just accept that the past is the past