Message from @wacka

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2020-01-22 23:02:15 UTC  

Well the debt mattered

2020-01-22 23:02:27 UTC  

I like the way they frame the debt though

2020-01-22 23:02:36 UTC  

They frame it as debts to slave owners.

2020-01-22 23:02:37 UTC  

I mean I'm arguing that the state seizing property for moral reasons without compensation is not good ever for anything

2020-01-22 23:02:48 UTC  

Rather than a debt to free huge numbers of slaves peacefully.

2020-01-22 23:03:04 UTC  

When has that happened in history?

2020-01-22 23:03:07 UTC  

Rarely.

2020-01-22 23:03:09 UTC  

well pay the debt to the skeletons, there are no slaves alive today either

2020-01-22 23:03:09 UTC  

yeah but system11, we're talking about the compensation... which I had to pay taxes for before 2015

2020-01-22 23:03:25 UTC  

and you paid taxes too for it

2020-01-22 23:03:28 UTC  

It was a debt more likely to randos and foreign treasuries because they paid the owners off on the spot

2020-01-22 23:03:39 UTC  

who cares

2020-01-22 23:03:52 UTC  

we pay for our debts or we don't get to have them

2020-01-22 23:04:23 UTC  

i know, i think its ultimately pointless and incredibly unfair to the vast majority of people in the 'slave owning country' who were just working in factories or whatever and did not in any way own or benefit from slavery

2020-01-22 23:04:34 UTC  

I think the slave owners descendants who inherited their wealth should pay back the 2.4bn to the treasury 😛

2020-01-22 23:04:41 UTC  

I'm happy to have paid taxes for that. I'm happy to pay a share of a debt that lets me live in a society that found the actual just solution to the problem

2020-01-22 23:04:59 UTC  

and also I want a tax rebate 😛

2020-01-22 23:05:16 UTC  

Lol most of those slavers descendants were ravaged by estate taxes in WW1

2020-01-22 23:05:21 UTC  

they paid it back

2020-01-22 23:05:24 UTC  

don't fear that

2020-01-22 23:05:29 UTC  

I dont like the fact that Ive paid money to slave owners

2020-01-22 23:05:31 UTC  

at some point we have to stop trying to retrospectively fix things and just accept that the past is the past

2020-01-22 23:05:45 UTC  

you haven't

2020-01-22 23:05:50 UTC  

and my government forced me to do it

2020-01-22 23:05:59 UTC  

you've paid money to random debters

2020-01-22 23:06:10 UTC  

who paid the slave owners

2020-01-22 23:06:15 UTC  

the money was for slaves

2020-01-22 23:06:16 UTC  

We could have just copied Russia and forced the Slaves to pay it off

2020-01-22 23:06:41 UTC  

Also when, in the 1880s, the government decided to pay this. Almost none of the governments wealth was from taxation of random plebs

2020-01-22 23:07:06 UTC  

so why have we been paying it right up until 2015?

2020-01-22 23:07:10 UTC  

it was from merchant duties, many of whom were profiting from slave products, and taxes on estates

2020-01-22 23:08:04 UTC  

Probably because WW1 happened and annihilated the country's finances before it was paid off before

2020-01-22 23:08:08 UTC  

then WW2 happened and did it again

2020-01-22 23:08:44 UTC  

in that case I demand germany pay me reparations for slavery

2020-01-22 23:08:49 UTC  

Deal

2020-01-22 23:09:04 UTC  

Well if it's WW1 I'm definitely blaming Austria

2020-01-22 23:10:27 UTC  

How would they pay reparations though since the Austro-Hungarian Empire doesn't exist anymore?

2020-01-22 23:10:39 UTC  

It wouldn't be fair to put it all on Austria

2020-01-22 23:10:56 UTC  

Put it all on Bosnia just to make it the least fair possible

2020-01-22 23:10:59 UTC  

ez

2020-01-22 23:11:19 UTC  

germany has enough