If you think all that is centre left then you’re wrong. Tbh you just sound like a wushu washy centrist with no strong principles from that description. Which is why you might think Labour were centre left but now the Conservatives are when you define yourself as centre left.

OK, Blair's Labour was far-right

Says you

Lol

i feel like expansive social programs is very left

Depends

depends on how invasive and specific they are

Is authoritarianism being taken into account and also the implementation matters

Blaire moved the labour party right-wards to the centre ground to make them electable

THis is universally acknowledged as being representative of reality

this sort of bickering is kinda gay imo

it just depends where you put center

Momentum + Corbyn dragged Labour way to left, making them unelectable int he process

So unless you're claiming Blair's Labour is politically equivalent to Corbyn's Labour party, you're talking shit

If you believe that authoritarianism is right wing the maybe social programs are right wing but if you believe the opposite then maybe it’s left wing

no, authoritarianism is not right wing

social programs are not right wing

you could say mainstream "conservative" parties are left wing in the sense they're basically progressives on speed dial

Lol

progressivism is inherently left wing

Depends on the nation

not at all

Ye

progressivism is the autonym of conservatism

by the very definition of the words

And alsoin how theyre used

also in'

Is conservatism right wing though?

i'm not interested in how they're used

but that is something that matters

not interested in post-modernist arguments

You seem to be mashing a whole load of ideologies and principles down according to your own political beliefs

nah, that's you

Lol

i'm using well establised definitions

Im literally supportiing your ideas

-long- established definitions

I was talking to Eccles

the definitions of words that are generally accepted and understood

And yeah I’m sure you are Eccles

you're trying to bend and repurpose, or entirely undermine definitions in order to make your twisted logic fit