What's fair about this world?

So you are for equality?

Has everyone heard that Mike Bloomberg has the big gay?

i mean "fair" in what sense

Yes @TheCaledonian

He's a liberal

should we not be allowed to use some of the best heuristics for determining whether or not someone will fit into our society?

Even though in reality things are not equal

So what makes you different from the left?

should a modeling agency be allowed to discriminate based on someone's looks?

Well i don't believe in forced equality @TheCaledonian

That is forced

If it wants to @Death in June

why can't the state discriminate based on race then

I believe it is wrong to discriminate based on race, I don't believe it should be criminal though

they're both immutable characteristics

Because the State has an obligation in my view to treat it's citizens fairely

Private individuals don't

but when it comes to immigration we aren't talking about citizens are we

So are we talking ethnicity or race here in chat right now?

Both

Ok, The State has an obligation to treat people who want to come into the country fairly

We shouldn't have an immigration policy based around race

Race is an immutable factor that shouldn't stop someone from immigrating

but why

Race or difference in ethnicity is going to have an effect in how they adapt (or won't) to the society they move into

@Death in June What do you mean why?

Because enlightenment values

The more familiar you are with someone, the more someone is like you, the more you will trust them and be comfortable around them

The less you have in common, the bigger the potential for a recipe of disaster

Mates are also selected on genetic similarity

Generally

because i want the state to select citizens who will be a good fit in my society, and looking at one's ancestry is an extremely effective way of determining that

Do you mean why shouldn't we discriminate based on immutable characteristics? @Death in June

No it really isn't

It really is

okay

We shouldn't stop someone from immigrating into the nation based on factors beyond their control

does that part actually matter to you though

like if you accepted it was an effective way of determining that

would you change your stance