@Leohte He ain't Tougppph enough.

?

Because treating human beings worse due to immutable characteristics is wrong

English

@Leohte I'm mocking Ed Miliband as he pronounced tough with a ph in a TV interview.

But why is that wrong?

why

Oh

His dad is a famous Marxist

Well that depends on your view on morality

But i think we should treat people fairly

I think all things about someone should be taken into consideration

Treating people based on race is not fair to them

What's fair about this world?

So you are for equality?

Has everyone heard that Mike Bloomberg has the big gay?

i mean "fair" in what sense

Yes @TheCaledonian

He's a liberal

should we not be allowed to use some of the best heuristics for determining whether or not someone will fit into our society?

Even though in reality things are not equal

So what makes you different from the left?

should a modeling agency be allowed to discriminate based on someone's looks?

Well i don't believe in forced equality @TheCaledonian

That is forced

If it wants to @Death in June

why can't the state discriminate based on race then

I believe it is wrong to discriminate based on race, I don't believe it should be criminal though

they're both immutable characteristics

Because the State has an obligation in my view to treat it's citizens fairely

Private individuals don't

but when it comes to immigration we aren't talking about citizens are we

So are we talking ethnicity or race here in chat right now?

Both

Ok, The State has an obligation to treat people who want to come into the country fairly

We shouldn't have an immigration policy based around race

Race is an immutable factor that shouldn't stop someone from immigrating

but why

Race or difference in ethnicity is going to have an effect in how they adapt (or won't) to the society they move into

@Death in June What do you mean why?

Because enlightenment values