Message from @TheCaledonian
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Nintendo announced they aren't getting any shipments from China... Losing $2m a day
And the Dr who first reported about coronavirus died
I got uni friend in Shanghai... he says streets empty
> Firstly, a tax is a compulsory payment levied by the government on its citizens and various business firms. ... On the other hand, a fee is a voluntary payment to the government for the special services rendered by it in the public interest, but conferring a specific advantage on the person paying it.
Autism
Taxation is necessary for any society to function
It's not theft
sure it is... gov't totally wouldn't abuse the concept of "fees" to get more tax money or nothing.
The government is able to abuse it because people are docile
Maybe so caledonian but should it be forced taxation by jsut taking it out of peoples earnings? Whats wrong with sales taxation as the primary... means the gov't won't be able to jsut raise taxes willy nilly they have to prove it's benefiting the economy.
Yes.
Who will willingly pay taxes, even to a good government
It won't happen en masse
And then the government will rely on other means of funding or just collapse
But people in here are tactical anarchists or libertarians but rely on their ideal government to uphold their arbitrary freedoms
Nihilism
More freedom doesnt make a society better by that metric alone
We technically live in the most politically free era of human history where we live
And it has causes decay and degeneration
Family life, Order and Prosperity need to be upheld
Rights are *only* for the native ethnos population of a region/nation
If they become global or universal they get basterdised and deliberately misused to harm someone or a group
I dont really care if, let's say, China has muh liberty
Nor would I want to give them it
They should strive for a system that works for them
And China has always been totalitarian
Not every group in this world is capable to even comceptulise a liberal democracy which you lot so crave
Nevermind uphold one if they got it forced upon them
lol, Julie Bindel has gone red pilled
You can't live off sales taxes alone
Income taxes are a pragmatic solution to the dual needs of a) government needing money to fund it's purposes (core + decided upon by democratic process) and b) to provide a means of preventing excessing collection of wealth in the hands of ever fewer people
"You can't live off sales taxes alone
" I bet to all shit I sure can live off it! Gov't can't live in the lap of luxury without it you mean.
The United States managed it for well over 100 years until the creation of the Fed. It's perfectly capable if the gov't is not regularly massively overspending. Even at that end what gives gov't a right to take your earned property just because they claim they need it more than you, for you. There needs to be alternative methods besides allowing gov't to just take your property for their own needs.
The only people who say "it can't be done" are those who 1) want "free" shit 2) who like the idea that they can make others do something for their own benefit(need to control others)
I love your point B) --oh right the gov't will stop "few" people from collecting "excessive" wealth by being a group of few people who take everyones money and collect excessive wealth. That's pretty funny actually.
It's not necessary to give it up without free will. (US war bonds in WWI are a fine example) I think you're getting pragmatic and idealistic mixed up. All income taxation does is it concentrates power into a small group who will more than likely abuse it for their own excessive monetary benefit and their own power benefits with no possible way to tell them to get their acts together you create classes that can't be touched except in the most extreme methods.
canonically, the "licence fee" is a tax because it's imposed by force. It would be a fee if we could choose to subscribe to the BBC without it being bound to accessing a technology
Imagine there was a "internet licence fee" that you had to pay to BT in order to access the internet
despite using a service that wasn't in anyway related to BT - for example, using Virgin Coax or one of the newer ISPs that do not use BT backbones.
Shamima Begum is back in business apparently
Accepting that taxes and death are necessary is part of growing up, and clearly, y'all aren't grown up.
"Wahhhhhhhhh why do I have to pay taxes"
Oh I dunno, to keep the country running I guess