The socialists in France are actually old school socialists

And likewise are the nationalists

And they have more authentic support

The Labour party here are just social dems in comparison to continental socialists

then id expect their elections to be more static cos there'd be less bleed over

tho i suppose nationalism and socialism arent mutually exclusive

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_France_Insoumise

Nationalism isn't an economic theory so it can't really be exclusive

But that's me just being semantical

i'm not engaging in the argument here, but something can be mutually exclusive without being in the same category

so they don't have to be of the same thing for them to be mutually exclusive

they can oppose each other in another way

say some ideology that leads you to the economic theory in this case

I would say that economic globalisation is directly opposed to nationalism

But a nationalist can have an internal capitalist or socialist leaning economy

I.e free trade with outsiders isn't nationalistic

i dont think nationalism has to be isolationist

protective maybe

That's what I'm getting at

Protectionism is more nationalistic than total free trade with other nations

i get ya

The opposition to globalisation is that one would like the country to turn internal completely and cut it's ties with the world

globalisation isn't the act of attempting to make good relationships with other countries

it appears to be a push towards global rule

the opposition of that isn't a muddy topic

and is wholly appropriate for someone who doesn't believe that a single government above all is a fantastic idea

You can have good relations with anyone without having massive economic ties to them

And having free movement of labour

And sharing military and technological secrets

exactly

That's what I'm for

i agree that the uk and the us special relationship should be maintained

I dont really think so

and we should align ourselves with them and their mil in terms of opsec etc

that's fair if you don't

i find that our relationship with the us isn't something like our relationship with the europeans

Yes because we share blood with them

But

as the americans and us share common heritage, language and ideas

America has been opposed to britain being a hegemon

And we are in a sense a satellite state