How is this socialism

the nhs will never be fully staffed or fully funded

it doesn't need to rely on foreign workers if you actually provide adequate training places to uk doctors, and dont' require fucking degree qualificiations to be a nurse

We ruled 25% of the world, we dont need assistance

you dont need a degree to be a nurse

you realise the doctors trade union deliberately suppressed the number of doctor training places to put pressure on the government improve wages and conditions in negotiations, right?

we also experience brain drain to aus and the like

"Entry requirements for nursing degree courses vary because each university sets its own entry criteria, but you are likely to need at least two (usually three) A-levels, Highers, or equivalent qualifications at Level 3, plus supporting GCSEs including English, maths, and a science (usually biology or human biology)."

Yes, you need a degree to become a fully trained nurse

i have a friend who was a nurse, he basically just walked in

theres different levels of nurse you can be

like all care work

Aye

dont need a degree for private care work either

They were grumblign about social care on the radio on my drive home tonight

So expect boris to capitulate on social carers coming into the country

care work pays pretty well tbf

uhh, on what planet?

theres a lot of it around where i live

totally solid

private care work i mean

good friend of mine does social care work, it pays not much more than minimum wage, and he doesn't even get paid for the travel

given that he does about a dozen 15 minute visits a day, that's awful

social care is fucking borked

it needs rolling into the NHS and doing properly

our anecdotes are opposites so not much i can say

otherwise the NHS itself will be forever fucked

It attracts foreign labour because it's so badly paid

well i think its mroe a case of nations dont want to work that low

that foreigners want to

nonsense

carers and nurses used to be well respected and well paid

nationals* than*

i was jsut disagreeing with the word "attracts"

then they closed all the local/convalescence hospitals, privatised all the nursing homes and social care

It was just totally inappropriate attempt to shoehorn "muhhfreemarket!" into healthcare with devestating consequences

people should be allowed to choose their healthcare

they can

apparently not if your a bigot then you can be refused

you think shop keepers and services providers don't have a right to refuse service to abusive customers?

you think the US should have forced the christian bakers to bake the gay cake for the LGTB activists?