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Whether the toaster is alive or not really depends on how complex it is.

Its doing something by itself that it was preset to do

it's irrelevant that's why there's no good definition of it in biology @ManAnimal

@OneTrueGod Just like genes then

complexity has nothing to do with being alive

Kinda does tho

a single celled organism is alive

not very complex

simples organisms have like dozens genes

a sponge is alive

Pretty damn complex

chemically *extremely* complex

only to one without a context to quantify complexty

Everything non-living is less complex than anything alive.

O^n

and the thing 'life' uses all forces of nature it can

that is simply untrue

Genes are very deterministic or "preset" if you will.

The only difference is that genes came about due to a dumb process of evolution, whereas machines were constructed.

Example pls

Here's a definition for you

@𒀭𒋾𒊩𒆳 A home computer is more complex than an amoeba.

If it's alive, it can die

@Seven Proxies That’s a good point actually

all chemistry is contingent on an incredibly complex interaction of subatomic particles

you know when you make a factory that takes in resources, uses some materials on site to process them and makes factories that make factories etc that would fulfill the definition of life

Viruses are technically neither alive or not

lmao

But if we introduce size as a factor

neither are gays

schroedingers virus

They're strange parts of biology

They are a form of life

jfc

cese

No living thing the size of a home computer is less complex than a home computer

sis

@𒀭𒋾𒊩𒆳 Size has never been a factor for the definition of life though

whether it is alive or not is not relevant

how do you measure complexity?