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2020-02-28 21:08:43 UTC  

that would send our economy ALL THE WAYS DOWN

2020-02-28 21:09:05 UTC  

How much of China’s debt does the US have?

2020-02-28 21:09:07 UTC  

What if we used self-replicating machines as an example.

Some woukd argue they're not alive.

Me personally I'd say self-replicating machines might be a next step in evolution.

2020-02-28 21:09:15 UTC  

China can ALSO at the same time deflate the value of the assets in the US they hold

2020-02-28 21:09:25 UTC  

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2020-02-28 21:09:27 UTC  

so all the debt comes due and your money to pay it is worth LESS

2020-02-28 21:09:31 UTC  

A self replicating machine isn't alive, it's a machine

2020-02-28 21:09:37 UTC  

so it's okay to call it living and non living really; it's mostly used as living when discussing genes and proteins, it's used as non-living for biochemistry and engineering

2020-02-28 21:09:39 UTC  

if you are going down ANYWAY... why not take the west with you

2020-02-28 21:09:41 UTC  

@OneTrueGod just like y o u

2020-02-28 21:09:51 UTC  

anyay

2020-02-28 21:09:57 UTC  

@OneTrueGod All living things are essentially machines though.

2020-02-28 21:10:04 UTC  

correct

2020-02-28 21:10:17 UTC  

My toaster does things on its own once I press the tray down, is that toaster alive? no

2020-02-28 21:10:21 UTC  

essences dont exist tho

2020-02-28 21:10:29 UTC  

but they're a good shortcut

2020-02-28 21:10:36 UTC  

@OneTrueGod But your toaster isn't self-replicating.

2020-02-28 21:10:37 UTC  

sigh* this is really an argument?

2020-02-28 21:10:44 UTC  

WHY does that MATTER?

2020-02-28 21:10:44 UTC  

🀷

2020-02-28 21:10:49 UTC  

Whether the toaster is alive or not really depends on how complex it is.

2020-02-28 21:10:51 UTC  

Its doing something by itself that it was preset to do

2020-02-28 21:11:01 UTC  

it's irrelevant that's why there's no good definition of it in biology @ManAnimal

2020-02-28 21:11:06 UTC  

@OneTrueGod Just like genes then

2020-02-28 21:11:06 UTC  

complexity has nothing to do with being alive

2020-02-28 21:11:16 UTC  

Kinda does tho

2020-02-28 21:11:16 UTC  

a single celled organism is alive

2020-02-28 21:11:21 UTC  

not very complex

2020-02-28 21:11:32 UTC  

simples organisms have like dozens genes

2020-02-28 21:11:36 UTC  

a sponge is alive

2020-02-28 21:11:38 UTC  

Pretty damn complex

2020-02-28 21:11:54 UTC  

chemically *extremely* complex

2020-02-28 21:11:58 UTC  

only to one without a context to quantify complexty

2020-02-28 21:12:03 UTC  

Everything non-living is less complex than anything alive.

2020-02-28 21:12:04 UTC  

O^n

2020-02-28 21:12:13 UTC  

and the thing 'life' uses all forces of nature it can

2020-02-28 21:12:15 UTC  

that is simply untrue

2020-02-28 21:12:22 UTC  

Genes are very deterministic or "preset" if you will.

The only difference is that genes came about due to a dumb process of evolution, whereas machines were constructed.

2020-02-28 21:12:24 UTC  

Example pls

2020-02-28 21:12:46 UTC  

Here's a definition for you

2020-02-28 21:12:51 UTC  

@π’€­π’‹Ύπ’Š©π’†³ A home computer is more complex than an amoeba.