Message from @KyonJ

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2020-02-29 04:58:09 UTC  

<:slurpgon:583424900732157956>

2020-02-29 04:58:29 UTC  

you swing it too close to them and they might do something about it

2020-02-29 04:58:31 UTC  

same thing with speech

2020-02-29 04:58:34 UTC  

Death's correct here. That's probably the best example of a personal freedom or right that's restricted by a government.

2020-02-29 04:58:36 UTC  

if you say something they don't like

2020-02-29 04:58:43 UTC  

they might do something about it

2020-02-29 04:58:53 UTC  

Do you understand the concept I'm giving to you??

2020-02-29 04:59:07 UTC  

i understand it but i'm disagreeing with it

2020-02-29 04:59:09 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/678530619621507073/683176410688520294/87964493_780430522365988_3698405345132019712_n.png

2020-02-29 04:59:20 UTC  

So you agree that Healthcare and College are not rights, but services?

2020-02-29 04:59:31 UTC  

Well that's the fundamentals between rights and services.

2020-02-29 04:59:35 UTC  

they're rights if the group with the most guns say they are

2020-02-29 04:59:45 UTC  

Except no.

2020-02-29 04:59:48 UTC  

just like any other right

2020-02-29 04:59:51 UTC  

<:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>

2020-02-29 04:59:56 UTC  

I mean, June's not wrong.

2020-02-29 05:00:01 UTC  

Healthcare and College are services

2020-02-29 05:00:02 UTC  

every right is in practice backed by a service

2020-02-29 05:00:04 UTC  

Lol

2020-02-29 05:00:11 UTC  

Water is also wet

2020-02-29 05:00:14 UTC  

Rights are meant to imply an absolute nature to them.

2020-02-29 05:00:17 UTC  

freedom of speech is predicated on the service provided by law enforcement

2020-02-29 05:00:28 UTC  

and courts

2020-02-29 05:00:39 UTC  

Yet you also can remain silent.

2020-02-29 05:00:40 UTC  

Fundamentally and factually, healthcare and college are services. They become rights under an authoritarian govt decrying that one individual must provide services to another.

2020-02-29 05:01:08 UTC  

Don't you hate when it rains in winter?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/678530619621507073/683176908623839242/20141020_012505.jpg

2020-02-29 05:01:16 UTC  

Anything that is given by the government can be taken away by the government.

2020-02-29 05:01:32 UTC  

The government can take away more than it can provide.

2020-02-29 05:01:34 UTC  

i don't see healthcare and college as being particularly different from something like private property rights

2020-02-29 05:02:01 UTC  

Well, one's a physical object that you've staked a claim to, protected by the government.

2020-02-29 05:02:02 UTC  

One is about ownership whereas the other is not.

2020-02-29 05:02:07 UTC  

The other's a service rendered by an individual.

2020-02-29 05:02:11 UTC  

They're pretty different concepts.

2020-02-29 05:02:18 UTC  

in both cases the "right" is predicated on certain actions taken with object legitimating some claim over it, to say that, if somebody makes used of x type of resources they must provide y type of service isn't really very different

2020-02-29 05:02:32 UTC  

the claim to the object is predicated on service

2020-02-29 05:02:33 UTC  

@Uksio wheres your hair?

2020-02-29 05:02:38 UTC  

Except you don't have a "right" to property.

2020-02-29 05:02:38 UTC  

i can see so much skin

2020-02-29 05:02:47 UTC  

i thought russians had dark hair

2020-02-29 05:02:51 UTC  

what do you mean kizza