Message from @Larbi

Discord ID: 623297276369960981


2019-09-16 23:17:06 UTC  

`Local campaigns have indeed stymied many new construction projects. There is a political dimension to this problem because local politicians are more attentive to the needs of older, retired homeowners, who tend to have time to devote to lobbying, while the younger working people who would benefit do not.`

2019-09-16 23:17:43 UTC  

"not in my back yard"

2019-09-16 23:17:50 UTC  

they're using the state to oppress the poor

2019-09-16 23:17:51 UTC  

🤔

2019-09-16 23:17:55 UTC  

Yh

2019-09-16 23:18:06 UTC  

Issue is with the free market utopia

2019-09-16 23:18:24 UTC  

that's a very subjective word

2019-09-16 23:18:24 UTC  

What is to stop corporate organisations resembling a government imposing restrictions?

2019-09-16 23:18:37 UTC  

Yes I am using it in the playful way to refer to Ancapistan

2019-09-16 23:18:41 UTC  

if they did, it would just be a government lol

2019-09-16 23:18:44 UTC  

Yes

2019-09-16 23:18:50 UTC  

but they wouldn't be breaching the NAP

2019-09-16 23:18:56 UTC  

how so?

2019-09-16 23:19:11 UTC  

It could be such that by consentign to necessary service for survival

2019-09-16 23:19:14 UTC  

also, corporations are a construct of the state

2019-09-16 23:19:21 UTC  

the term business would be more accurate

2019-09-16 23:19:32 UTC  

you could agree to the circumstances of the service that expand upon other service

2019-09-16 23:19:33 UTC  

I know this because I *am* a corporation :P

2019-09-16 23:19:34 UTC  

i.e.

2019-09-16 23:20:12 UTC  

If I am going to use a private road I have to pay X 'voluntary rent - not tax I promise but it is kind of' and consent to give away X rights over property

2019-09-16 23:20:50 UTC  

I will then simply not sell my road to any competition that may be more lenient as it provides me a lot of market power

2019-09-16 23:20:51 UTC  

if it's a private road and the owner requires you to pay to use it, then you either pay to use it or use it and violate the NAP

2019-09-16 23:21:01 UTC  

Yes it is compulsion by association

2019-09-16 23:21:07 UTC  

The type of coercion the NAP doesn't address

2019-09-16 23:21:14 UTC  

your argument falls flat on its face, what is the purpose of owning a road

2019-09-16 23:21:38 UTC  

To make profit of those that use the service?

2019-09-16 23:21:39 UTC  

"I'm going to open a really big store, buy a bunch of products to stock it, but shut out the public if they don't pay these ridiculously high prices"

2019-09-16 23:21:45 UTC  

that's not a realistic scenario

2019-09-16 23:21:45 UTC  

Nr

2019-09-16 23:21:56 UTC  

more so I am going to set a nasty but affordable fee

2019-09-16 23:22:12 UTC  

also, everyone knows we'll have helicopters and planes in Ancapistan so this is all largely irrelevant 😉

2019-09-16 23:22:16 UTC  

Lol

2019-09-16 23:22:32 UTC  

We'll also have ai robots to take our jobs ushering in the luxury communist utopia

2019-09-16 23:22:32 UTC  

xD

2019-09-16 23:22:48 UTC  

hey I'm down for that, so long as there's no government to force me to do anything

2019-09-16 23:22:54 UTC  

That we can agree on

2019-09-16 23:23:10 UTC  

automate the shit out of everything <:Ancap_Smiley:538150164800733204>

2019-09-16 23:25:51 UTC  

I don't support the NAP but I reject structural power i.e. governance, coercion based on threat, compulsion based on wealth. I do see issue in power as a concept itself not being addressed by free market prominent and I think this is the main difference between the Natural rights & consequentialist Libertarians that may be okay with capitalism VS the egoist and ammoralist Libertarians that reject capitalism as alienating.

2019-09-16 23:26:49 UTC  

Anyway I'm going to go to sleep so i'll ttyl

2019-09-16 23:28:16 UTC  

I'll leave with this remark from the rational wiki @ThatPreciseBloke 'The right-wing snarl word "cultural Marxism" refers to them, though the present usage has very little to do with anything the Frankfurt School did. '

2019-09-16 23:29:14 UTC  

alright, have a good night!