Message from @Larbi

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2019-09-16 23:17:51 UTC  

🤔

2019-09-16 23:17:55 UTC  

Yh

2019-09-16 23:18:06 UTC  

Issue is with the free market utopia

2019-09-16 23:18:24 UTC  

that's a very subjective word

2019-09-16 23:18:24 UTC  

What is to stop corporate organisations resembling a government imposing restrictions?

2019-09-16 23:18:37 UTC  

Yes I am using it in the playful way to refer to Ancapistan

2019-09-16 23:18:41 UTC  

if they did, it would just be a government lol

2019-09-16 23:18:44 UTC  

Yes

2019-09-16 23:18:50 UTC  

but they wouldn't be breaching the NAP

2019-09-16 23:18:56 UTC  

how so?

2019-09-16 23:19:11 UTC  

It could be such that by consentign to necessary service for survival

2019-09-16 23:19:14 UTC  

also, corporations are a construct of the state

2019-09-16 23:19:21 UTC  

the term business would be more accurate

2019-09-16 23:19:32 UTC  

you could agree to the circumstances of the service that expand upon other service

2019-09-16 23:19:33 UTC  

I know this because I *am* a corporation :P

2019-09-16 23:19:34 UTC  

i.e.

2019-09-16 23:20:12 UTC  

If I am going to use a private road I have to pay X 'voluntary rent - not tax I promise but it is kind of' and consent to give away X rights over property

2019-09-16 23:20:50 UTC  

I will then simply not sell my road to any competition that may be more lenient as it provides me a lot of market power

2019-09-16 23:20:51 UTC  

if it's a private road and the owner requires you to pay to use it, then you either pay to use it or use it and violate the NAP

2019-09-16 23:21:01 UTC  

Yes it is compulsion by association

2019-09-16 23:21:07 UTC  

The type of coercion the NAP doesn't address

2019-09-16 23:21:14 UTC  

your argument falls flat on its face, what is the purpose of owning a road

2019-09-16 23:21:38 UTC  

To make profit of those that use the service?

2019-09-16 23:21:39 UTC  

"I'm going to open a really big store, buy a bunch of products to stock it, but shut out the public if they don't pay these ridiculously high prices"

2019-09-16 23:21:45 UTC  

that's not a realistic scenario

2019-09-16 23:21:45 UTC  

Nr

2019-09-16 23:21:56 UTC  

more so I am going to set a nasty but affordable fee

2019-09-16 23:22:12 UTC  

also, everyone knows we'll have helicopters and planes in Ancapistan so this is all largely irrelevant 😉

2019-09-16 23:22:16 UTC  

Lol

2019-09-16 23:22:32 UTC  

We'll also have ai robots to take our jobs ushering in the luxury communist utopia

2019-09-16 23:22:32 UTC  

xD

2019-09-16 23:22:48 UTC  

hey I'm down for that, so long as there's no government to force me to do anything

2019-09-16 23:22:54 UTC  

That we can agree on

2019-09-16 23:23:10 UTC  

automate the shit out of everything <:Ancap_Smiley:538150164800733204>

2019-09-16 23:25:51 UTC  

I don't support the NAP but I reject structural power i.e. governance, coercion based on threat, compulsion based on wealth. I do see issue in power as a concept itself not being addressed by free market prominent and I think this is the main difference between the Natural rights & consequentialist Libertarians that may be okay with capitalism VS the egoist and ammoralist Libertarians that reject capitalism as alienating.

2019-09-16 23:26:49 UTC  

Anyway I'm going to go to sleep so i'll ttyl

2019-09-16 23:28:16 UTC  

I'll leave with this remark from the rational wiki @ThatPreciseBloke 'The right-wing snarl word "cultural Marxism" refers to them, though the present usage has very little to do with anything the Frankfurt School did. '

2019-09-16 23:29:14 UTC  

alright, have a good night!

2019-09-17 03:39:31 UTC  

@Larbi I seriously doubt that, as rationalwiki is a digital berkeley that irrationally worships the hidden religion of athiesm+ like a dog worships food scraps, (deception, misinformation and logical fallacies notwithstanding ofc)

https://youtu.be/pgCnpCBORyM

Dont take it from me... take it from a KGB defector of whose former organization put much more into subversion than espionage...

Then ask why family values, and a sense of purpose, meaning, and morality in general are practically unexistant in society these days...

Not blaming russia, just the leftist devils and their false sense of moral superiority

2019-09-20 13:10:57 UTC  

^the result