Message from @SYDWAD
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capitalism works and fails because of humans
*venezuela*
Why do you think the keynesians start throbbing when the market fails
That was state socialist
I'm not pro state-socialist
I would only seek Ancom given it were in a post-scarcity climate and involved a voluntaryist platform
rather than the coercion of a state and the lack of infrastructure and resource to conduct any transformation
communism always becomes socialism because they realize they need a strong hand to stop people from disobeying the system
How can you disobey a gift economy?
communism has never existed so I'm not sure how you can say that
how can you say it works fine?
I don't
I aim to build or rather inspire the infrastructure for the hypothetical system
and I conclude that it would be the logical conclusion of a post-scarcity society given it were stable
communism has never existed because it cant. You need a government to stop people from gaining too much power and it becomes totalitarian because competitive people will try make more than others through companies or gangs. let a gang go free too long and you got a state in your country, ask mexico
What
or look at google, they are basically a country
now
they even have armed land the local government cant enter.
"you need a government to stop people from gaining too much power"
1) this is incredibly vague
2) what does it have to do with communism
I don't think you understand communism, in a communist system you cannot 'become too powerful' as the means of production would be available for all to milk
3 ways
What do you mean by "equal"
3 ways?
Centralised planning through artificial intelligence (perhaps with the demands of the people in mind democratically) is a cool option
*laissez faire* communism 😂 workplaces simply starting their means of production because they simply want to produce the product of their desire
I kid when I say 3 ways, in reality there are many ways
that involve central planning, decentralised planning, human interaction, ai involvement, mixed, etc.
The point is it can exist without a government and I think what you're concerned with is a state, and it can exist without a coercive state
thats still just a government, a form of overarching governance
How well do you know Ancapism
i mean if you define a government as any kind of administrative apparatus then sure
is Ancapism necessarily anti-government?
but in that case a society without a government is impossible
Ancap has been anti-*state* with the most die hard wanting decentralisation of public goods through private businesses
however ancaps haven't been against the concept of governance
most i know is a perosn telling me it was the same as ancapitalisum with a general public idea keeping things equal through something
hence why you see voluntaryist governance advocates
No
I claim that you may be conflating state and government
and that government is simply a service provider