Message from @SYDWAD
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That was state socialist
I'm not pro state-socialist
I would only seek Ancom given it were in a post-scarcity climate and involved a voluntaryist platform
rather than the coercion of a state and the lack of infrastructure and resource to conduct any transformation
communism always becomes socialism because they realize they need a strong hand to stop people from disobeying the system
How can you disobey a gift economy?
communism has never existed so I'm not sure how you can say that
how can you say it works fine?
I don't
I aim to build or rather inspire the infrastructure for the hypothetical system
and I conclude that it would be the logical conclusion of a post-scarcity society given it were stable
communism has never existed because it cant. You need a government to stop people from gaining too much power and it becomes totalitarian because competitive people will try make more than others through companies or gangs. let a gang go free too long and you got a state in your country, ask mexico
What
or look at google, they are basically a country
now
they even have armed land the local government cant enter.
"you need a government to stop people from gaining too much power"
1) this is incredibly vague
2) what does it have to do with communism
I don't think you understand communism, in a communist system you cannot 'become too powerful' as the means of production would be available for all to milk
ok, how will the system stay equal and distribute the resources without a government of some kind?
3 ways
What do you mean by "equal"
Centralised planning through artificial intelligence (perhaps with the demands of the people in mind democratically) is a cool option
*laissez faire* communism 😂 workplaces simply starting their means of production because they simply want to produce the product of their desire
I kid when I say 3 ways, in reality there are many ways
that involve central planning, decentralised planning, human interaction, ai involvement, mixed, etc.
The point is it can exist without a government and I think what you're concerned with is a state, and it can exist without a coercive state
thats still just a government, a form of overarching governance
How well do you know Ancapism
i mean if you define a government as any kind of administrative apparatus then sure
is Ancapism necessarily anti-government?
but in that case a society without a government is impossible
Ancap has been anti-*state* with the most die hard wanting decentralisation of public goods through private businesses
however ancaps haven't been against the concept of governance
most i know is a perosn telling me it was the same as ancapitalisum with a general public idea keeping things equal through something
hence why you see voluntaryist governance advocates
No
I claim that you may be conflating state and government
and that government is simply a service provider
whilst a state is a government that is coercive in nature
some ancaps take it further wanting the decentralisation of this service provider so that it can get the benefits of free market competition
and so that it's power isn't centralised