Message from @SYDWAD

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2019-07-21 11:32:42 UTC  

That was state socialist

2019-07-21 11:32:48 UTC  

I'm not pro state-socialist

2019-07-21 11:33:19 UTC  

I would only seek Ancom given it were in a post-scarcity climate and involved a voluntaryist platform

2019-07-21 11:33:36 UTC  

rather than the coercion of a state and the lack of infrastructure and resource to conduct any transformation

2019-07-21 11:33:44 UTC  

communism always becomes socialism because they realize they need a strong hand to stop people from disobeying the system

2019-07-21 11:33:54 UTC  

How can you disobey a gift economy?

2019-07-21 11:34:14 UTC  

communism has never existed so I'm not sure how you can say that

2019-07-21 11:34:32 UTC  

how can you say it works fine?

2019-07-21 11:34:38 UTC  

I don't

2019-07-21 11:35:08 UTC  

I aim to build or rather inspire the infrastructure for the hypothetical system

2019-07-21 11:35:26 UTC  

and I conclude that it would be the logical conclusion of a post-scarcity society given it were stable

2019-07-21 11:36:18 UTC  

communism has never existed because it cant. You need a government to stop people from gaining too much power and it becomes totalitarian because competitive people will try make more than others through companies or gangs. let a gang go free too long and you got a state in your country, ask mexico

2019-07-21 11:36:29 UTC  

What

2019-07-21 11:36:55 UTC  

or look at google, they are basically a country

2019-07-21 11:36:57 UTC  

now
they even have armed land the local government cant enter.

2019-07-21 11:37:12 UTC  

"you need a government to stop people from gaining too much power"
1) this is incredibly vague
2) what does it have to do with communism

2019-07-21 11:38:06 UTC  

I don't think you understand communism, in a communist system you cannot 'become too powerful' as the means of production would be available for all to milk

2019-07-21 11:38:18 UTC  

ok, how will the system stay equal and distribute the resources without a government of some kind?

2019-07-21 11:38:35 UTC  

3 ways

2019-07-21 11:38:40 UTC  

What do you mean by "equal"

2019-07-21 11:40:01 UTC  

3 ways?

2019-07-21 11:40:10 UTC  

Centralised planning through artificial intelligence (perhaps with the demands of the people in mind democratically) is a cool option

2019-07-21 11:40:54 UTC  

*laissez faire* communism 😂 workplaces simply starting their means of production because they simply want to produce the product of their desire

2019-07-21 11:41:14 UTC  

I kid when I say 3 ways, in reality there are many ways

2019-07-21 11:41:30 UTC  

that involve central planning, decentralised planning, human interaction, ai involvement, mixed, etc.

2019-07-21 11:41:56 UTC  

The point is it can exist without a government and I think what you're concerned with is a state, and it can exist without a coercive state

2019-07-21 11:42:03 UTC  

thats still just a government, a form of overarching governance

2019-07-21 11:42:21 UTC  

How well do you know Ancapism

2019-07-21 11:42:28 UTC  

i mean if you define a government as any kind of administrative apparatus then sure

2019-07-21 11:42:28 UTC  

is Ancapism necessarily anti-government?

2019-07-21 11:43:19 UTC  

but in that case a society without a government is impossible

2019-07-21 11:43:21 UTC  

Ancap has been anti-*state* with the most die hard wanting decentralisation of public goods through private businesses

2019-07-21 11:43:40 UTC  

however ancaps haven't been against the concept of governance

2019-07-21 11:43:47 UTC  

most i know is a perosn telling me it was the same as ancapitalisum with a general public idea keeping things equal through something

2019-07-21 11:43:49 UTC  

hence why you see voluntaryist governance advocates

2019-07-21 11:44:02 UTC  

No

2019-07-21 11:44:16 UTC  

I claim that you may be conflating state and government

2019-07-21 11:44:23 UTC  

and that government is simply a service provider

2019-07-21 11:44:33 UTC  

whilst a state is a government that is coercive in nature

2019-07-21 11:45:05 UTC  

some ancaps take it further wanting the decentralisation of this service provider so that it can get the benefits of free market competition

2019-07-21 11:45:15 UTC  

and so that it's power isn't centralised