Message from @SYDWAD

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2019-07-21 11:25:33 UTC  

It's voluntaryist in nature

2019-07-21 11:25:39 UTC  

and as are many other economic platforms

2019-07-21 11:26:05 UTC  

what was the original topic we starded with?

2019-07-21 11:26:22 UTC  

there is no reason for capitalism to be the predominate platform, corporatism is just capitalism clinging to the state and ironically it's the only way it can be sustained

2019-07-21 11:26:29 UTC  

I doubt a free market can truly exist under capitalism

2019-07-21 11:26:54 UTC  

I suppose we were arguing on the nature of communism

2019-07-21 11:27:39 UTC  

and you argued it's anti-equality of opportunity, when I'd argue it allows total association and dissociation and gives more opportunity than any other system

2019-07-21 11:28:23 UTC  

"Pure communism is freedom, Freedom from coercion, Freedom from force, Freedom to associate, Freedom from class and material slavery. By nullifying the value of property we can truly experience our subjective value of it."
Absolute freedom is anarchy until the strong controls you. In communism are you free too hire people under you in order to manage them for more efficiency under a set task? then thats just a speech

2019-07-21 11:28:58 UTC  

there is a force of some kind stopping you from doing things that will harm the system

2019-07-21 11:29:17 UTC  

You could try to do so

2019-07-21 11:29:34 UTC  

but whats stopping them is that they get all the rewards you could give them and more

2019-07-21 11:29:41 UTC  

essentially making it laughable

2019-07-21 11:30:25 UTC  

but there is a force taking anything you give them and resetting it

2019-07-21 11:30:36 UTC  

making everyone *equal* again

2019-07-21 11:30:37 UTC  

what do you mean?

2019-07-21 11:30:43 UTC  

what force?

2019-07-21 11:30:57 UTC  

No they can keep shit

2019-07-21 11:31:50 UTC  

whatever system you have keeping the system in place, anarcho-communism only works if there are no humans

2019-07-21 11:32:07 UTC  

It works perfectly fine with humans

2019-07-21 11:32:14 UTC  

capitalism works and fails because of humans

2019-07-21 11:32:26 UTC  

*venezuela*

2019-07-21 11:32:36 UTC  

Why do you think the keynesians start throbbing when the market fails

2019-07-21 11:32:42 UTC  

That was state socialist

2019-07-21 11:32:48 UTC  

I'm not pro state-socialist

2019-07-21 11:33:19 UTC  

I would only seek Ancom given it were in a post-scarcity climate and involved a voluntaryist platform

2019-07-21 11:33:36 UTC  

rather than the coercion of a state and the lack of infrastructure and resource to conduct any transformation

2019-07-21 11:33:44 UTC  

communism always becomes socialism because they realize they need a strong hand to stop people from disobeying the system

2019-07-21 11:33:54 UTC  

How can you disobey a gift economy?

2019-07-21 11:34:14 UTC  

communism has never existed so I'm not sure how you can say that

2019-07-21 11:34:32 UTC  

how can you say it works fine?

2019-07-21 11:34:38 UTC  

I don't

2019-07-21 11:35:08 UTC  

I aim to build or rather inspire the infrastructure for the hypothetical system

2019-07-21 11:35:26 UTC  

and I conclude that it would be the logical conclusion of a post-scarcity society given it were stable

2019-07-21 11:36:18 UTC  

communism has never existed because it cant. You need a government to stop people from gaining too much power and it becomes totalitarian because competitive people will try make more than others through companies or gangs. let a gang go free too long and you got a state in your country, ask mexico

2019-07-21 11:36:29 UTC  

What

2019-07-21 11:36:55 UTC  

or look at google, they are basically a country

2019-07-21 11:36:57 UTC  

now
they even have armed land the local government cant enter.

2019-07-21 11:37:12 UTC  

"you need a government to stop people from gaining too much power"
1) this is incredibly vague
2) what does it have to do with communism

2019-07-21 11:38:06 UTC  

I don't think you understand communism, in a communist system you cannot 'become too powerful' as the means of production would be available for all to milk

2019-07-21 11:38:18 UTC  

ok, how will the system stay equal and distribute the resources without a government of some kind?

2019-07-21 11:38:35 UTC  

3 ways