Message from @SYDWAD

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2019-07-21 11:21:06 UTC  

Inaction is not fining

2019-07-21 11:21:23 UTC  

social ostracism is an effective means of utilising collectives in a way that is not unethical

2019-07-21 11:22:05 UTC  

its no different than the ancaps that preach of the ancap and then argue that shooting someone in your lawn may cause your community to disassociate yourself from such cruelty if they see fit

2019-07-21 11:22:29 UTC  

It's like saying shutting my ears or not giving you good treatment for what you said is the same as silencing you

2019-07-21 11:22:46 UTC  

by artificially making it harder to do x you are limiting x
The pure capitalism works the way it is because of human nature, if you alter it to make it harder to run a company on your own thats an artificial limitation and its no longer free

2019-07-21 11:22:53 UTC  

Lol

2019-07-21 11:23:04 UTC  

It doesn't have to be and it really isn't

2019-07-21 11:23:10 UTC  

Capitalism has had many different iterations

2019-07-21 11:23:28 UTC  

pure capitalism is anarchy

2019-07-21 11:23:42 UTC  

Anarchy has many flavours

2019-07-21 11:23:47 UTC  

and a voluntary society takes many forms

2019-07-21 11:24:44 UTC  

Pure communism is freedom, Freedom from coercion, Freedom from force, Freedom to associate, Freedom from class and material slavery. By nullifying the value of property we can truly experience our subjective value of it.

2019-07-21 11:25:11 UTC  

anarcho-capitalism isnt anarchy, by having a set of morals the public follow and punish for breaking its not anarchy. There are diffrent amounts of anarchy in a system but anything other than the strong eating the weak its not anarchy

2019-07-21 11:25:33 UTC  

It's voluntaryist in nature

2019-07-21 11:25:39 UTC  

and as are many other economic platforms

2019-07-21 11:26:05 UTC  

what was the original topic we starded with?

2019-07-21 11:26:22 UTC  

there is no reason for capitalism to be the predominate platform, corporatism is just capitalism clinging to the state and ironically it's the only way it can be sustained

2019-07-21 11:26:29 UTC  

I doubt a free market can truly exist under capitalism

2019-07-21 11:26:54 UTC  

I suppose we were arguing on the nature of communism

2019-07-21 11:27:39 UTC  

and you argued it's anti-equality of opportunity, when I'd argue it allows total association and dissociation and gives more opportunity than any other system

2019-07-21 11:28:23 UTC  

"Pure communism is freedom, Freedom from coercion, Freedom from force, Freedom to associate, Freedom from class and material slavery. By nullifying the value of property we can truly experience our subjective value of it."
Absolute freedom is anarchy until the strong controls you. In communism are you free too hire people under you in order to manage them for more efficiency under a set task? then thats just a speech

2019-07-21 11:28:58 UTC  

there is a force of some kind stopping you from doing things that will harm the system

2019-07-21 11:29:17 UTC  

You could try to do so

2019-07-21 11:29:34 UTC  

but whats stopping them is that they get all the rewards you could give them and more

2019-07-21 11:29:41 UTC  

essentially making it laughable

2019-07-21 11:30:25 UTC  

but there is a force taking anything you give them and resetting it

2019-07-21 11:30:36 UTC  

making everyone *equal* again

2019-07-21 11:30:37 UTC  

what do you mean?

2019-07-21 11:30:43 UTC  

what force?

2019-07-21 11:30:57 UTC  

No they can keep shit

2019-07-21 11:31:50 UTC  

whatever system you have keeping the system in place, anarcho-communism only works if there are no humans

2019-07-21 11:32:07 UTC  

It works perfectly fine with humans

2019-07-21 11:32:14 UTC  

capitalism works and fails because of humans

2019-07-21 11:32:26 UTC  

*venezuela*

2019-07-21 11:32:36 UTC  

Why do you think the keynesians start throbbing when the market fails

2019-07-21 11:32:42 UTC  

That was state socialist

2019-07-21 11:32:48 UTC  

I'm not pro state-socialist

2019-07-21 11:33:19 UTC  

I would only seek Ancom given it were in a post-scarcity climate and involved a voluntaryist platform

2019-07-21 11:33:36 UTC  

rather than the coercion of a state and the lack of infrastructure and resource to conduct any transformation

2019-07-21 11:33:44 UTC  

communism always becomes socialism because they realize they need a strong hand to stop people from disobeying the system

2019-07-21 11:33:54 UTC  

How can you disobey a gift economy?