Message from @SYDWAD
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It doesn't have to be and it really isn't
Capitalism has had many different iterations
pure capitalism is anarchy
Anarchy has many flavours
and a voluntary society takes many forms
Pure communism is freedom, Freedom from coercion, Freedom from force, Freedom to associate, Freedom from class and material slavery. By nullifying the value of property we can truly experience our subjective value of it.
anarcho-capitalism isnt anarchy, by having a set of morals the public follow and punish for breaking its not anarchy. There are diffrent amounts of anarchy in a system but anything other than the strong eating the weak its not anarchy
It's voluntaryist in nature
and as are many other economic platforms
what was the original topic we starded with?
there is no reason for capitalism to be the predominate platform, corporatism is just capitalism clinging to the state and ironically it's the only way it can be sustained
I doubt a free market can truly exist under capitalism
I suppose we were arguing on the nature of communism
and you argued it's anti-equality of opportunity, when I'd argue it allows total association and dissociation and gives more opportunity than any other system
"Pure communism is freedom, Freedom from coercion, Freedom from force, Freedom to associate, Freedom from class and material slavery. By nullifying the value of property we can truly experience our subjective value of it."
Absolute freedom is anarchy until the strong controls you. In communism are you free too hire people under you in order to manage them for more efficiency under a set task? then thats just a speech
there is a force of some kind stopping you from doing things that will harm the system
You could try to do so
but whats stopping them is that they get all the rewards you could give them and more
essentially making it laughable
but there is a force taking anything you give them and resetting it
what do you mean?
what force?
No they can keep shit
whatever system you have keeping the system in place, anarcho-communism only works if there are no humans
It works perfectly fine with humans
capitalism works and fails because of humans
*venezuela*
Why do you think the keynesians start throbbing when the market fails
That was state socialist
I'm not pro state-socialist
I would only seek Ancom given it were in a post-scarcity climate and involved a voluntaryist platform
rather than the coercion of a state and the lack of infrastructure and resource to conduct any transformation
communism always becomes socialism because they realize they need a strong hand to stop people from disobeying the system
How can you disobey a gift economy?
communism has never existed so I'm not sure how you can say that
how can you say it works fine?
I don't
I aim to build or rather inspire the infrastructure for the hypothetical system
and I conclude that it would be the logical conclusion of a post-scarcity society given it were stable
communism has never existed because it cant. You need a government to stop people from gaining too much power and it becomes totalitarian because competitive people will try make more than others through companies or gangs. let a gang go free too long and you got a state in your country, ask mexico