Message from @VexenX

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2018-07-08 03:29:24 UTC  

ahh shit here comes deconstructionism. Nothing is anything so anything can be anything. XD

2018-07-08 03:29:32 UTC  

Very true, but then you get in to the question of what defines a state/ideas of sovereignty or condoned social control. we had state condoned violence before the westpphalian treaty

2018-07-08 03:30:10 UTC  

@AiarUther that was to answer you

2018-07-08 03:30:18 UTC  

Well give me a definition that is consistent

2018-07-08 03:30:35 UTC  

give me a definition that I can apply to any organisation equally

2018-07-08 03:31:04 UTC  

What is gang violence?

2018-07-08 03:31:10 UTC  

Most of this made sense when there was still 'wilderness' to escape to

2018-07-08 03:31:11 UTC  

there is no real difference I agree.

2018-07-08 03:31:17 UTC  

good

2018-07-08 03:31:23 UTC  

so the government is a violent gang?

2018-07-08 03:31:40 UTC  

It makes sense to have structure when people live in dense populations. Now what that structure would be would be up for debate.

2018-07-08 03:31:46 UTC  

It's a gang that we are okay with using violence on our behalf

2018-07-08 03:31:53 UTC  

yep, but hopefully they are my violent gang, and better than the violent gang the other crowd have.!]

2018-07-08 03:32:10 UTC  

I wasn't questioning that

2018-07-08 03:32:19 UTC  

Well it's the answer

2018-07-08 03:32:37 UTC  

I just like a bit of ideological honesty

2018-07-08 03:33:09 UTC  

I've been reading your chat, and I don't see the point you're really trying to make

2018-07-08 03:33:26 UTC  

A government can be ethical in the simplest way if you start by establishing stuff like 1)don't rob people, 2) don't kill people for no reason. **shrug**

2018-07-08 03:33:37 UTC  

They always get larger from there

2018-07-08 03:33:40 UTC  

And usually less ethical.

2018-07-08 03:34:00 UTC  

Just like even if you had an anarchist paradise it would be temporary because of a lack of organization.

2018-07-08 03:34:08 UTC  

It would create a void and at some point that would be filled.

2018-07-08 03:34:11 UTC  

And that's why you arm the populace

2018-07-08 03:34:29 UTC  

Even if they are armed doesn't mean some of them won't join forces into gangs to impose their will.

2018-07-08 03:34:51 UTC  

I meant for the governed society

2018-07-08 03:35:08 UTC  

But the state can't exist without being violent

2018-07-08 03:35:08 UTC  

This is fucking fun. I'm enjoying the half ass packing my stuff I'm doing while interacting in text and voice.

2018-07-08 03:35:10 UTC  

2018-07-08 03:35:17 UTC  

and therefore unethical

2018-07-08 03:35:24 UTC  

I agree with your point @AiarUther

2018-07-08 03:35:35 UTC  

But the real question is this; can violence ever BE ethical?

2018-07-08 03:35:42 UTC  

no

2018-07-08 03:35:46 UTC  

Are you allowed to defend yourself?

2018-07-08 03:35:47 UTC  

No?

2018-07-08 03:35:50 UTC  

That seems unethical.

2018-07-08 03:35:52 UTC  

I don't see defending yourself as "violence"

2018-07-08 03:36:01 UTC  

that's self defence

2018-07-08 03:36:03 UTC  

that goes back to the question of whether humans are inherently violent... i would guess we are

2018-07-08 03:36:06 UTC  

Then the state isn't violence

2018-07-08 03:36:07 UTC  

That is a different definition if violence is involved though.

2018-07-08 03:36:25 UTC  

But the state has to use aggessive violence to exist