Message from @VexenX
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lol
Prove that I signed my birth certificate
Your foot print is usually on it...
so the state is a gang
good
Sounds like consent from someone who is at least 30 seconds old to me.
at least you're honest
XD
srs talk, the state is a criminal gang
change my mind
state condoned violence... yes, but not criminal
I don't think I can. Honestly, if it worked a tad differently, I might have an argument to give, but it definitely operates that way lately.
Still, anarchy is just a temporary state.
If they organize to maintain it, they become a government of some sort.
@RemoteObserver How is state sponsored violence ethically different from a private individual or group doing it?
my white controlled govt wouldn't have built such shitty fencing.
if I'm a gang, am I ehtically different if I suddenly call myself "The Government Gang" am I ethically justified?
Nothing is ethically justified
so ethics don't exist?
Very true, but then you get in to the question of what defines a state/ideas of sovereignty or condoned social control. we had state condoned violence before the westpphalian treaty
@AiarUther that was to answer you
Well give me a definition that is consistent
give me a definition that I can apply to any organisation equally
What is gang violence?
Most of this made sense when there was still 'wilderness' to escape to
there is no real difference I agree.
good
so the government is a violent gang?
It makes sense to have structure when people live in dense populations. Now what that structure would be would be up for debate.
It's a gang that we are okay with using violence on our behalf
yep, but hopefully they are my violent gang, and better than the violent gang the other crowd have.!]
I wasn't questioning that
Well it's the answer
I just like a bit of ideological honesty
I've been reading your chat, and I don't see the point you're really trying to make
A government can be ethical in the simplest way if you start by establishing stuff like 1)don't rob people, 2) don't kill people for no reason. **shrug**
They always get larger from there
And usually less ethical.
Just like even if you had an anarchist paradise it would be temporary because of a lack of organization.