Message from @VexenX

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2018-07-08 03:26:23 UTC  

state condoned violence... yes, but not criminal

2018-07-08 03:26:23 UTC  

I don't think I can. Honestly, if it worked a tad differently, I might have an argument to give, but it definitely operates that way lately.

2018-07-08 03:26:41 UTC  

Still, anarchy is just a temporary state.

2018-07-08 03:26:43 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/383108664380227595/465358044495347712/equality-equity-capitalism-pay-for-your-tickets-freeloaders-you-arent-22299054.png

2018-07-08 03:26:56 UTC  

If they organize to maintain it, they become a government of some sort.

2018-07-08 03:27:27 UTC  

@RemoteObserver How is state sponsored violence ethically different from a private individual or group doing it?

2018-07-08 03:27:28 UTC  

my white controlled govt wouldn't have built such shitty fencing.

2018-07-08 03:28:24 UTC  

if I'm a gang, am I ehtically different if I suddenly call myself "The Government Gang" am I ethically justified?

2018-07-08 03:28:57 UTC  

Nothing is ethically justified

2018-07-08 03:29:11 UTC  

so ethics don't exist?

2018-07-08 03:29:24 UTC  

ahh shit here comes deconstructionism. Nothing is anything so anything can be anything. XD

2018-07-08 03:29:32 UTC  

Very true, but then you get in to the question of what defines a state/ideas of sovereignty or condoned social control. we had state condoned violence before the westpphalian treaty

2018-07-08 03:30:10 UTC  

@AiarUther that was to answer you

2018-07-08 03:30:18 UTC  

Well give me a definition that is consistent

2018-07-08 03:30:35 UTC  

give me a definition that I can apply to any organisation equally

2018-07-08 03:31:04 UTC  

What is gang violence?

2018-07-08 03:31:10 UTC  

Most of this made sense when there was still 'wilderness' to escape to

2018-07-08 03:31:11 UTC  

there is no real difference I agree.

2018-07-08 03:31:17 UTC  

good

2018-07-08 03:31:23 UTC  

so the government is a violent gang?

2018-07-08 03:31:40 UTC  

It makes sense to have structure when people live in dense populations. Now what that structure would be would be up for debate.

2018-07-08 03:31:46 UTC  

It's a gang that we are okay with using violence on our behalf

2018-07-08 03:31:53 UTC  

yep, but hopefully they are my violent gang, and better than the violent gang the other crowd have.!]

2018-07-08 03:32:10 UTC  

I wasn't questioning that

2018-07-08 03:32:19 UTC  

Well it's the answer

2018-07-08 03:32:37 UTC  

I just like a bit of ideological honesty

2018-07-08 03:33:09 UTC  

I've been reading your chat, and I don't see the point you're really trying to make

2018-07-08 03:33:26 UTC  

A government can be ethical in the simplest way if you start by establishing stuff like 1)don't rob people, 2) don't kill people for no reason. **shrug**

2018-07-08 03:33:37 UTC  

They always get larger from there

2018-07-08 03:33:40 UTC  

And usually less ethical.

2018-07-08 03:34:00 UTC  

Just like even if you had an anarchist paradise it would be temporary because of a lack of organization.

2018-07-08 03:34:08 UTC  

It would create a void and at some point that would be filled.

2018-07-08 03:34:11 UTC  

And that's why you arm the populace

2018-07-08 03:34:29 UTC  

Even if they are armed doesn't mean some of them won't join forces into gangs to impose their will.

2018-07-08 03:34:51 UTC  

I meant for the governed society

2018-07-08 03:35:08 UTC  

But the state can't exist without being violent

2018-07-08 03:35:08 UTC  

This is fucking fun. I'm enjoying the half ass packing my stuff I'm doing while interacting in text and voice.

2018-07-08 03:35:10 UTC  

2018-07-08 03:35:17 UTC  

and therefore unethical

2018-07-08 03:35:24 UTC  

I agree with your point @AiarUther

2018-07-08 03:35:35 UTC  

But the real question is this; can violence ever BE ethical?