what defines a person

you have to pick some point where the fetus is a person

legally

so if they say black people are legally not people

they dont get rights?

Catholics don’t deserve rights

Legality is arbitrary

I agree

The pope is arbitrary

the reality of our existence doesn't always fit our moral preconceptions

pro-birth is unworkable in the west we simply don't have the infastructure to support that much growth

@radeon

we are not breeching the 2.5 birth rate with immigration

lmao

"accidental deaths" are fine but the same exact result brought about artificially is not

have you ever heard of culpability?

We also don't have the infrastructure to support an aging population

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-pepe-the-frog-sad-pepe-crying-tears-gif-7939264

Accidental deaths can't be stopped

im just pointing out the moral outrage is totally fake

by definition accidental deaths are not immoral

they can still be tragic

@radeon That's why it's okay if somebody is accidentally struck by a falling rock but not okay if I push the rock onto them to kill them?

Anyway arguments from infrastructure are also pointless
Just use contraceptives

my point is that the "pro life" people have no actual interest in these babies they are simply moralfagging, they want nothing to do with actually caring for these millions of crack babies who will never be anything in life

thats a pretty interesting strawman

unless ***YOU*** are willing to pay for these forced babies then shut the fuck up

I mean I am willing for the state to create good Foster systems
With lots of money

Off tax money

forcing your version of morality upon other people but doing nothing about the consequences, thats the definition of moralfagging

Not beeing pro murder is moralfagging?

moralfagging

is this... a argument

i don't agree abortion is murder, i think its contextual

it definitely *can* be for instance if you punch a pregnant woman

https://www.dailywire.com/news/32445/woman-reportedly-has-boyfriend-punch-her-stomach-amanda-prestigiacomo

^^this is why abortion needs to be legal

also the #1 biggest argument for legal abortion is the fact that making abortion illegal just makes people get unsafe illegal abortions that result in more deaths thanm when abortion is legal