@Deleted User you are not honestly comparing a free to use Bitbucket with a commercial product? Travis-CI combined with Github has them too, but then your code must not be in a private repo. Or there are solutions, which you can deploy for yourself.

Replace "professional" with business, because I never saw .NET in my professional world.

@Deleted User Bitbucket and Atlassian stuff isn't free to use if you got over X number of people in the team you have to pay, the same with Github (mainly private repos etc) and TFS Online.

As for .NET usage it is huge in the UK. I dunno about other countries. I know a lot of web dev shops don't tend to use it and usually stick to node / php. However I don't really want to get into a pissing match about languages because it is completely pointless

Someone asked me to make an emitter of spinning hotdogs

I am aware of that, but this limitation is hardly a problem for most Bitbucket and Github projects.

If you are a bigger company, you should have your own deployd solution anyway.

Why durtle why

@Deleted User well it’s been a problem on some of the projects I’ve worked on. The pricing goes from free to like like £15 then like £1000

@Deleted User in anycase All the major players have had their own ci/cd workflow for quite a while. In anycase it is ridiculous the freak out about github. The company hasn’t had a ceo in months and most comments sections are full of the usual ms hating nonsense

Microsoft hasn’t even bought it yet and my roommate’s already switching to gitlab. 😆

Is gitlab still slow?

inb4 Google buys gitlab and just closes it down.

Anyway, Steve Balmer was notorious for instating a Survival of the Fittest inside Microsoft, that prevented any team from collaborating with each other. Even their compiler division got demoralized. People kept saying the Xbox division was the only part of MS was fun, because the guy in charge kept fighting back against integrating the management with the rest of the company.

This kind of shit kills companies. It kills their products, chips off their edge.

@meratrix that is ridiculous.

@DanielKO going to be slow until everyone stops sperging out

Heil Microsoft, then. Let MS, Google , Apply, Oracle, Amazon, ... buy all smaller companies, it will be the best for the consumer 🤞

yeah I read about that bull

basically they decided that they'll cut x % lowest performers per year

result - people started focusing on sabotaging others and doing everything measurable they could , rather than doing productive stuff

Reminder that gitlab runs off Azure, the Microsoft cloud service. That's why it's slow.

cant you run it on your own server?

I know, it ispossible with Stackoverflow.

@Deleted User getting bought for billions doesn't make you a small company.

@DanielKO Gitlabs probably hasn't bothered upping whatever they were paying on Azure.

@Deleted User yes you can run your own version of Gitlabs but you need a fairly decent server from what I have read

You should run on your own server, if you are a company.

??

I am not suprised, that for a MS fanboy, who seems to like vendor-locks, it is a ?

@Deleted User It really depends how big you are. Whether it is worth hosting your own stuff. Normally it isn't worth it, simply because it takes time having to setup and maintain a server and if you have a small team it usually isn't worth it.

@Deleted User I don't like vendor lock-in, BTW I am typing this on a Mac

I don't expect it for start-ups and for bootstraping, but for established companies. Source code is one of your most precious resources.

@Deleted User It still depends. I've worked at companies where code wasn't there most precious resource and they were fairly large and a bitbucket account is still better than a sourcesafe box that isn't regularly backed up and nobody knows where the box physically lives (probably some old PC sitting under someone's desk).

Also if the place isn't a dev shop or doesn't have a large in house dev team, it is almost impossible to get accounts and the rest of the business to spend money on you, so again something free and cheap is better than nothing at all.

Even some of the big boys don't do stuff particularly well, the only reason there was a starcraft 4k upgrade was because someone found the assets on a CD in someone's basement

i.e. Blizzard had lost the code and the assets to SC1 back around 2000 and had been issuing patches probably using a fucking hex editor

I worked at companies that had all those stuff in-house. I can get it for start-ups and very small companies. In case of the others, it is laziness and cheapness.

I don't talk about a kubernetes cluster in-house.

Maybe in some cases, but other times there is usually just a few web devs and a support tech that are just trying to do their best. Things are rarely perfect. It just is how it is sometimes.

thats small, I had univresity course projects with more team members.

@Deleted User same here. But the rest of the business can be quite large and there are just a few folks doing thing like websites, IT admin stuff etc. It really depends.

For example I used to contract at a place where the head of IT was a guy that came up from punchcards. He knew his stuff about managing things like service desks etc, but he didn't know about newer stuff and was reluctant to sign off on it (quite understandably) unless there was an official consultant round from a vendor. So the trick with him was "Well the official documentation from <insert software vendor> recommends".

Making carte blanche statements like "You should be doing" while you might be correct in a broader sense, sometimes just improving stuff a little bit can help loads.

TL;DR; rome wasn't built in a day and sometimes it is better to ease people into it