Message from @sexytortoiseloverboy

Discord ID: 477155029179170816


2018-08-09 16:39:00 UTC  

The problem is if you design a pickup for North America, and you're Suzuki, it will probably reflect the sales of your other vehicles.

2018-08-09 16:39:08 UTC  

So it's not worth the gamble

2018-08-09 16:39:32 UTC  

So you approach a company, say Nissan and offer a deal to rebadge one of their vehicles

2018-08-09 16:39:52 UTC  

Nissan finds it to be an acceptable deal and you have business

2018-08-09 16:40:37 UTC  

Now you aren't in the hole for engineering something, as suzuki, for a continent, that will probably sell like a Suzuki

2018-08-09 16:41:06 UTC  

The fact that X amount only sold doesn't matter

2018-08-09 16:41:20 UTC  

That's after the fact

2018-08-09 16:41:28 UTC  

But it's not your pickup, and the quality of Nissan's pickup gets placed on you.

Or, people see through your bullshit and just go buy the Nissan instead.

2018-08-09 16:41:33 UTC  

The average yokel probably doesn't know he's buying a Nissan

2018-08-09 16:41:58 UTC  

I'm pretty sure the average consumer is a bit more informed than that

2018-08-09 16:42:03 UTC  

Go ahead and tell the middle aged mom driving the infinity that she owns a Nissan

2018-08-09 16:42:22 UTC  

Infinity and Nissan are not a comparable example

2018-08-09 16:42:27 UTC  

They are

2018-08-09 16:42:36 UTC  

They're different markets

2018-08-09 16:42:40 UTC  

Luxury and entry

2018-08-09 16:42:43 UTC  

Rebadging comes in all different sizes

2018-08-09 16:42:59 UTC  

Suzuki and Nissan shared the same market

2018-08-09 16:43:16 UTC  

Not to mention the example of rebadging for brand loyalty

2018-08-09 16:43:25 UTC  

You weren't getting a 'better' product

2018-08-09 16:43:36 UTC  

I mean, you were getting a better product

2018-08-09 16:43:44 UTC  

You were getting a better suzuki

2018-08-09 16:44:00 UTC  

You had different prices and incentives on them

2018-08-09 16:45:22 UTC  

All of this seems like excessive overhead and logistics, just to place a bet that people would be tricked into not realizing their truck was made by someone else, who sells it for the same price or even cheaper

2018-08-09 16:45:31 UTC  

Well it is

2018-08-09 16:45:45 UTC  

Yes, that's why I don't get it.

2018-08-09 16:49:05 UTC  

It's probably safe to assume that in that specific vehicle instance Nissan was well covered in whatever the terms of the deal were and Suzuki was taking a risk

2018-08-09 16:49:54 UTC  

Suzuki most likely did this to get their name out there in the truck market

2018-08-09 16:49:57 UTC  

And it didn't work

2018-08-09 16:50:30 UTC  

And it was probably better they didn't try to design some truck for North America because they would have been assed out

2018-08-09 17:55:35 UTC  

it's highly expensive to design vehicles and a lot cheaper to make some deal with another company; I believe the term "1% of something is better than 100% of nothing" somewhat applies as quite often it is not economically feasible to produce a vehicle for a certain market area, yet there are sales to be had within it by your brand

2018-08-09 17:56:08 UTC  

sure, your profit margin is minimised, but it's still profit

2018-08-09 17:56:47 UTC  

not to mention if you as a brand can cover every class of vehicle, you are more likely to get people into the dealerships

2018-08-09 18:15:15 UTC  

I don't really understand why someone would hate it, this seems to be more of a case of not understanding the purpose for it.

2018-08-09 22:11:47 UTC  

Also, there are a lot of cases there badge engineering involves a model made by a brand with no presence or no dealer network in a given market, rebranded as something people are familiar with.

2018-08-09 22:13:57 UTC  

Such as the Daewoo platforms sold as GM brand vehicles. In those markets they're not actually competing with the original product because it's not there, but they're filling a role for the brand and saving them the resources that would be required to develop a new model.

2018-08-09 22:14:41 UTC  

All of these manufacturers are businesses first, it would be silly to hold not wanting to waste lots of time and money and R&D for no good reason against them.

2018-08-09 22:17:38 UTC  

I mean badge engineering literally benefits everyone involved, both brands, as well as the consumer, by providing a wider selection of vehicles on the market.

2018-08-09 22:33:56 UTC  

@Matt thinks the best vehicle platform is the pl73

2018-08-09 22:34:09 UTC  

he says the best cars ever are all pl73 based

2018-08-09 22:35:25 UTC  

You want a large sedan based on the Peel P50

2018-08-09 22:35:51 UTC  

you want a car with only rear wheel steering