Charles Manson was just petty thief who forged some checks, stole some cars, pimped women, and dealt drugs. He got out of prison in the height of the free love era and found some disenfranchised youth to start a co-op with on a ranch. He supposedly killed a bunch of people using his brainwashed followers. However, the accounts surrounding the murders were vague and unclear, and there's speculation that the altercation was actually over drugs, and Manson's own defense attorney actually went out to a party with the prosecutor vinscent buliosci after the prosecution.

Sigh

Listen to the vegan sterilze the children

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqvx8yeMM3E

He was also a musician who the beach boys stole like 2 or 3 songs from.

And btw Happy Indian genocide day to all the Yanks here

What kinda evil do you need to be that the beach boys want to steal your shit?

Only the most satanic of satans.

I swear the UK is becoming a parody

https://twitter.com/JackBMontgomery/status/933677895486144517

That's another thing that bothers me though too, is the demonization of people with mental health issues. If Manson was really a murderer, let's be honest, people who murder other people aren't "normal" by the standards of what society considers normal. I really don't like how people demonize people as if they weren't just biological organisms, and they were some sort of physical manifestation of "evil" which is just a nonsense fantasy word used to describe whatever the collective considers undesirable. I think murder is wrong, but I don't look at murderers as if they were bad people, because they have something in their brain which makes them the way they are, and we have something in our brains which makes us the way we are which is why we don't murder anyone. At least, I hope no one here murders people.

Wut

Unhinged people are a treath to society

Murderers are in prison because they also endanger others

"Without agency you cannot condem" is how i sum up Mittens paragraph

But you have to admit that there's something fundamentally different in their brains from our brains which determines each of our disparate actions.

Pretty much, Dan.

Except, I think it's more complicated than that. Everyone does have a different brain which effects their behavior in different ways.

I disagree but i understand form where the argument comes from

And they need to keep themselfs in check

Even if you wanted to add the concept of free will into it, you would have to admit that some people would be more inclined to choose different behaviors than we are inclined to include disparate ones.

@✿ Mittens ✿ sure, but that's why punishment exists. To reshape those brains to getting back to "murder is wrong"

That's not how the united states prison system words though.

That's because the us prison system doesnt work. Period

Poor implementation =/= bad concept

I mean you have more people in prison than the population of European counties

Look at a prison system like Norway's they have a system of rehabilitation, they treat prisoners with dignity and comfort, and they have a much lower recidivism rate. The united states, we basically create convicts and hardened criminals in our prison system. Listen to this one interview with a former NYPD police officer who went to prison and had his entire perspective of the prison system changed. Listen to musicians like Peter Steele talk about how prison made him a better criminal. There's evidence just in our statistics in our country, we have a much higher recidivism rate, because we treat our prisons like basically factory farms.

But if you did things like Norway then you'd be a cuck

It's also a form of legalized slave labor, the US prison system.

The norway system would aslo be expensive

The people of Norway also have a different outlook on life in general

And i think everyone agrees the us prison system is shit, its just not a particularly easy thing to just "fix"

That's fine. You said that prison is to fix people's brains, my objection is that that's demonstrably wrong in the US prison system.

**I am outside of the inane endless struggle of humanity.**

^ whats with that?

Idk, it's annoying.

Meta memes

K. Seems cringey. But I'm new here so what the fuck do i know

I honestly wish I could move to a Scandinavian country, because I think America is shit.

I'm so tired of living here.

Enjoy your long winters and 18 hour nights