Message from Vertig0ne in /r/SargonOfAkkad (Sparta) #politics-free-for-all

2017-11-06 18:02:57 UTC  

UK arrests people if their dogs don't like jews.

2017-11-06 18:03:00 UTC  

backing up for a minute... no, murder isnt a right because youre violating the rights of another

2017-11-06 18:03:08 UTC  

thats a little extreme

2017-11-06 18:03:27 UTC  

UK doesn't have freedom like US

2017-11-06 18:03:30 UTC  


2017-11-06 18:03:34 UTC  

rights 1. cannot violate the rights of other people and 2. exist in a vacuum exterior to the intervention of others i.e. medical care

2017-11-06 18:03:38 UTC  

There is a difference between murder and self-defense.

2017-11-06 18:03:45 UTC  


2017-11-06 18:03:48 UTC  

its called a 2nd shot

2017-11-06 18:03:56 UTC  

They both leave a dead person

2017-11-06 18:04:14 UTC  

From what I understood, the guy got arrested because he chased after the burglars after they were running away. Excessive force.

2017-11-06 18:04:15 UTC  

self defense is legal because you have a right to self-preservation

2017-11-06 18:04:20 UTC  

Only a moron would fire once at an assailant

2017-11-06 18:04:25 UTC  


2017-11-06 18:04:31 UTC  

in the US this is part of the second amendment and stand your ground laws

2017-11-06 18:04:52 UTC  

although don't get me wrong, there is far more to 2A than self defense

2017-11-06 18:05:04 UTC  

I'm pretty sure you can't run after the burglars and keep shooting at them, after they're retreating.

2017-11-06 18:05:09 UTC  

the way its looked at here in general (in the uk, incase you didnt notice)

2017-11-06 18:05:14 UTC  

by the time the police show up, you're already dead, if you even were able to call them.

2017-11-06 18:05:15 UTC  

is its based on a sitation

2017-11-06 18:05:20 UTC  

like. if a burgular came in

2017-11-06 18:05:26 UTC  

thats because the UK is a nanny state

2017-11-06 18:05:30 UTC  

you have no rights

2017-11-06 18:05:34 UTC  

and you grabbed a fireplace ornament and whacked him over the head

2017-11-06 18:05:37 UTC  


2017-11-06 18:05:40 UTC  

killing him

2017-11-06 18:05:42 UTC  

obviously not run after them, thats why its a stand your ground.

2017-11-06 18:05:45 UTC  

what little the government lets you do is backed up by nothing at all

2017-11-06 18:05:46 UTC  

Oh God Dammit are we back on the rights thing again?

2017-11-06 18:05:46 UTC  

"oh well, shit happens"

2017-11-06 18:05:53 UTC  

its the 2nd hit that will get you

2017-11-06 18:06:04 UTC  

In Germany there's no "excessive force" until the threat ends.

2017-11-06 18:06:14 UTC  

Also, it's called Castle doctrine

2017-11-06 18:06:17 UTC  

if the UK government wanted to simply ignore all your rights and set up a police state there is nothing you could do to stop it

2017-11-06 18:06:21 UTC  

Or something like that, Joerg from the Slingshot Channel said it.

2017-11-06 18:06:37 UTC  

@radeon there is, but thats kind of out of the subject

2017-11-06 18:06:45 UTC  

such as?

2017-11-06 18:07:01 UTC  

I have the legal right to defend myself and my property

2017-11-06 18:07:04 UTC  

what are you gonna do, report the police to the police? write a strongly worded letter to your MP?

2017-11-06 18:07:05 UTC  

The US has also done draconian steps toward it, remember the PATRIOT act?

2017-11-06 18:07:15 UTC  

Complain to the US lol