but that's what most people do

Isn't that the definition of a denomination?

Denominations come from different interpretations.

only fundamentalists who follow the word of the bible to the letter are "true" christians then?

Well if you're also not practicing your religion, it's hard to consider you part of it.

What about cultural christians?

"Cultural Christians"?

just put restrictions and regulations on all religions.

the people who believe western values are formed from a christian ideological basis

well they are.

Arguably they are.

not really, but that tends to be a longer discussion than I care for

"In God we Trust." "God-given right."

@Mal really then why aren't they.<:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>

Look at your damn money.

if you cared, you'd look it up yourself, instead of having me trying to explain it to you in a way that can only end up coming across as incredibly condescending <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>

Obviously our western values are derived from chsritianity, or else the Muslims wouldn't be so fucked

is that a centrist typing?<:think_woke:378717098681171988>

At the time Europe was still quite Christian.

So it's not difficult to say that it was founded on the moral basis of Christianity.

yeah religion needs to be controlled and regulated.

Because what is moral to society, is what society primarily sees as moral.

I do not think some words that were added to your paper bills in the 50's make it entirely obvious that what you're saying is somehow true <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>

And when society is primarily Christian, then it's logical to say it was.

He's right you know

@Mal you mean the 17th century?

except the moral values you call christian did not suddenly pop into existence with the advent of christianity <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>

"in God we trust" was added in the 1950s

16th century, I believe.

the pennies were earlier

by the english?

or cents

@Mal No, it came from the Jews

But you can feel free to argue with my point.

It should be fun to hear that response.

so it suddenly popped into existence with the Jews, I see

Well, the Jews and the Greeks, but yes

They both kind of invented distributed rule/democracy

and before that, there was only anarchy, people killed eachother, and did everything that the jewish god magically prevented when people started worshipping him alone, instead of the others that were worshipped alongside him?

I'd like to hear the counter to my argument.

no societies that saw the benefit of not murdering eachother