Arguably they are.

not really, but that tends to be a longer discussion than I care for

"In God we Trust." "God-given right."

@Mal really then why aren't they.<:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>

Look at your damn money.

if you cared, you'd look it up yourself, instead of having me trying to explain it to you in a way that can only end up coming across as incredibly condescending <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>

Obviously our western values are derived from chsritianity, or else the Muslims wouldn't be so fucked

is that a centrist typing?<:think_woke:378717098681171988>

At the time Europe was still quite Christian.

So it's not difficult to say that it was founded on the moral basis of Christianity.

yeah religion needs to be controlled and regulated.

Because what is moral to society, is what society primarily sees as moral.

I do not think some words that were added to your paper bills in the 50's make it entirely obvious that what you're saying is somehow true <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>

And when society is primarily Christian, then it's logical to say it was.

He's right you know

@Mal you mean the 17th century?

except the moral values you call christian did not suddenly pop into existence with the advent of christianity <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>

"in God we trust" was added in the 1950s

16th century, I believe.

the pennies were earlier

by the english?

or cents

@Mal No, it came from the Jews

But you can feel free to argue with my point.

It should be fun to hear that response.

so it suddenly popped into existence with the Jews, I see

Well, the Jews and the Greeks, but yes

They both kind of invented distributed rule/democracy

and before that, there was only anarchy, people killed eachother, and did everything that the jewish god magically prevented when people started worshipping him alone, instead of the others that were worshipped alongside him?

I'd like to hear the counter to my argument.

no societies that saw the benefit of not murdering eachother

Before you move on.

No, it was mostly tyrants and warlords/ central kings

At the time Europe was still quite (hugely) Christian. So it's not difficult to say that it was founded on the moral basis of Christianity. Because what is moral to society, is what society primarily sees as moral.

To repost.

Ah yes, and none of them instituted laws and regulations against murdering people indiscriminately, for example?

why would they do such a thing, if there was no god to tell them it was the right thing to do?

@Mal Are you going to keep being a snarky bitch, or do you actually want to have a discussion?

I told you it would come off as condescending before we began <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>

I also told you I didn't have time for it, and to look it up for yourself if you cared

oh, okay, I didn't realize you were 12