"in God we trust" was added in the 1950s

16th century, I believe.

the pennies were earlier

by the english?

or cents

@Mal No, it came from the Jews

But you can feel free to argue with my point.

It should be fun to hear that response.

so it suddenly popped into existence with the Jews, I see

Well, the Jews and the Greeks, but yes

They both kind of invented distributed rule/democracy

and before that, there was only anarchy, people killed eachother, and did everything that the jewish god magically prevented when people started worshipping him alone, instead of the others that were worshipped alongside him?

I'd like to hear the counter to my argument.

no societies that saw the benefit of not murdering eachother

Before you move on.

No, it was mostly tyrants and warlords/ central kings

At the time Europe was still quite (hugely) Christian. So it's not difficult to say that it was founded on the moral basis of Christianity. Because what is moral to society, is what society primarily sees as moral.

To repost.

Ah yes, and none of them instituted laws and regulations against murdering people indiscriminately, for example?

why would they do such a thing, if there was no god to tell them it was the right thing to do?

@Mal Are you going to keep being a snarky bitch, or do you actually want to have a discussion?

I told you it would come off as condescending before we began <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>

I also told you I didn't have time for it, and to look it up for yourself if you cared

oh, okay, I didn't realize you were 12

nice meme

'lol herp derp, I'm such a jerk because of my intellect'.

I like how my point is being ignored.

Because it's too difficult to argue.

I'm not even Christian.

@Maw We're discussing the origins of Christian morality, which pre-date christianity in Europe. It goes back to Judaism and Hellenism as well. I'm not ignoring you

I'm sorry, but I focused on one person @Maw, sorry if you felt like you were being ignored

the origins of morality

It's all good, I figured this was about America's founding, though?

no, I just said the stuff about the words on the money because you mentioned those words

Christian morality has changed since its inception/genesis, arguing about the foundations of it seems... irrelevant when it's been reformed so many times.

it is central to my argument against western morality somehow being christian in origin, when the origin of morality is much less rigid than such thinking would have you believe

it is not static, it evolves, is still evolving - but it all has a fundamental basis in wellbeing

Why is adultery bad?

I could think of several reasons why it would be considered "bad", none of which needs there to be a christian god in the picture

Why does the west primarily only see monogamy as the only legal form of marriage?

I also think pre-christian cultures saw adultery as bad