therefore socialism is a collectivist ideology

therefore leftwing

This is just libertarian v. authoritarian.

therefore alt-right a left wingers

Not left v. right.

>collectivism is left wing
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how isn't it?

collectivism is a thought process that can be employed by anyone unless they follow something like liberalism that speaks strictly against it

the terms left and right don't cover social policy

Political collectivism is about subverting the rights of the individual for the "good" of the collective

I see left v. right more as change v. status quo.

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well that's hardly measurable

It is.

Tradition is heuristics.

and a libertarian wouldn't care if individuals decide to live a traditionalist lifestyle

So?

and an authoritarian will maintain whatever status quo is most beneficial to maintaining his power

whether it's "new" or "old"

but my point is that being a left wing libertarian is a meme

it doesn't exist

It does.

It just isn't what's popular today.

oh it's popular indeed with people who think it exists

like ancoms and anti-fa

but when have ancoms and anti-fa been anything but authoritarians?

That is extremism, libertarian extremism.

Not left extremism.

it's not libertarian though

Anarchy = Max libertarian.

it's authoritarian

Yes, it is.

the desire to control others through violence is authoritarian

It means completely free of government.

Zero government.

My mind cannot be changed on that fact

All controlled by the people.

but controlling others through violence is a de-facto government

No, that's just public uprising.

a government really is just a gang with more legitimacy

the fundamental difference between a democratic government and other forms of government in concept is that the democratic government can be held accountable