Message from @Ruggwain

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2018-07-06 15:06:59 UTC  

Free markets and capitalism are almost synonomous

2018-07-06 15:07:05 UTC  

Not quite.

2018-07-06 15:07:10 UTC  

nope

2018-07-06 15:07:14 UTC  

free markets came way after capitalism

2018-07-06 15:07:16 UTC  

in any functional capacity

2018-07-06 15:07:28 UTC  

Capitalism isn't monolithic.

2018-07-06 15:07:29 UTC  

free markets are just an improvement on the capitalist system

2018-07-06 15:07:37 UTC  

There are many different ways to implement capitalism.

2018-07-06 15:07:43 UTC  

define capitalism

2018-07-06 15:08:12 UTC  

Private ownership, primarily in most things.

2018-07-06 15:08:13 UTC  

the only definition that make sense to me is "the free and voluntary exchange of property"

2018-07-06 15:08:52 UTC  

Where more socialism = more state ownership.

2018-07-06 15:08:56 UTC  

indeed

2018-07-06 15:09:07 UTC  

therefore socialism is a collectivist ideology

2018-07-06 15:09:12 UTC  

therefore leftwing

2018-07-06 15:09:18 UTC  

This is just libertarian v. authoritarian.

2018-07-06 15:09:21 UTC  

therefore alt-right a left wingers

2018-07-06 15:09:22 UTC  

Not left v. right.

2018-07-06 15:09:24 UTC  

>collectivism is left wing
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2018-07-06 15:09:44 UTC  

how isn't it?

2018-07-06 15:10:18 UTC  

collectivism is a thought process that can be employed by anyone unless they follow something like liberalism that speaks strictly against it

2018-07-06 15:10:43 UTC  

the terms left and right don't cover social policy

2018-07-06 15:10:48 UTC  

Political collectivism is about subverting the rights of the individual for the "good" of the collective

2018-07-06 15:10:57 UTC  

I see left v. right more as change v. status quo.

2018-07-06 15:11:14 UTC  

🤔

2018-07-06 15:11:18 UTC  

well that's hardly measurable

2018-07-06 15:11:22 UTC  

It is.

2018-07-06 15:11:27 UTC  

Tradition is heuristics.

2018-07-06 15:11:38 UTC  

and a libertarian wouldn't care if individuals decide to live a traditionalist lifestyle

2018-07-06 15:11:51 UTC  

So?

2018-07-06 15:12:22 UTC  

and an authoritarian will maintain whatever status quo is most beneficial to maintaining his power

2018-07-06 15:12:30 UTC  

whether it's "new" or "old"

2018-07-06 15:12:57 UTC  

but my point is that being a left wing libertarian is a meme

2018-07-06 15:13:04 UTC  

it doesn't exist

2018-07-06 15:13:09 UTC  

It does.

2018-07-06 15:13:22 UTC  

It just isn't what's popular today.

2018-07-06 15:13:44 UTC  

oh it's popular indeed with people who think it exists

2018-07-06 15:13:51 UTC  

like ancoms and anti-fa

2018-07-06 15:14:13 UTC  

but when have ancoms and anti-fa been anything but authoritarians?

2018-07-06 15:14:22 UTC  

That is extremism, libertarian extremism.

2018-07-06 15:14:27 UTC  

Not left extremism.