Message from @Mal

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2018-07-15 19:23:29 UTC  

So you're forever fucked because good luck getting a leader the people want

no

it doesn't work that way

2018-07-15 19:32:46 UTC  

populism is nice

2018-07-15 19:33:13 UTC  

Elon musk confirmed alt right nazi

2018-07-15 23:07:01 UTC  

The entire UK electoral system is fucked

2018-07-15 23:07:24 UTC  

How can a party who came 3rd with nearly 4 million votes not have a single elected MP

2018-07-15 23:07:30 UTC  

Well e had 1 but he left

2018-07-15 23:13:41 UTC  

it's because you guys don't have a proportionate voting system

2018-07-15 23:31:52 UTC  

Pretty much. First past the post kills any real opposition to the main 2

2018-07-15 23:33:55 UTC  

and it doesn't benefit either the tories or labour to do electoral reform

2018-07-15 23:46:08 UTC  

It's pretty clear the MSM is only attacking Musk because he admitted he doesn't like them.

2018-07-15 23:46:15 UTC  

He was their hero before that.

2018-07-16 00:22:51 UTC  

I never understood the British "Alliance" System

2018-07-16 00:23:03 UTC  

Or just the fact you don't vote for your PMs

2018-07-16 00:29:09 UTC  

they voted for the politicians, who then point to a prime minister. Depending on the country and system, negative or positive parliamentarism then keeps or deposes that prime minister. It's pretty common way for things to work in constitutional monarchies, afaik.

2018-07-16 00:31:41 UTC  

the head of state isn't voted for either

2018-07-16 00:31:44 UTC  

Its silly. Because in a sense the PM isn't elected.

2018-07-16 00:32:18 UTC  

And if your party chooses to ally with another, to "Form a Government" it means only one of their leaders will be in charge

2018-07-16 00:32:19 UTC  

I don't see why that is silly, though

2018-07-16 00:32:23 UTC  

Not the one you voted for

2018-07-16 00:32:31 UTC  

Technically, the US could be doing it this way right now, and vice versa

2018-07-16 00:32:53 UTC  

That would be the dumbest thing in the US, as it would trump the Seperation of Powers

2018-07-16 00:33:02 UTC  

It would be Congress deciding the President

2018-07-16 00:33:12 UTC  

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki No, I meant the fact that we vote for a president

2018-07-16 00:33:12 UTC  

the parties usually discuss who should become the PM, and what ministries should go to which party

2018-07-16 00:33:35 UTC  

Which again, isn't what the people are voting for.

2018-07-16 00:33:55 UTC  

And fractures an Administration

2018-07-16 00:34:20 UTC  

and in most countries that work like this, it's usually the biggest parties, or the ones with the mandate that tips the balance, that ends up with the PM's office

2018-07-16 00:34:33 UTC  

you vote for a politician to represent your views in parliament

2018-07-16 00:34:36 UTC  

TBH, the parliamentary system is quite clunky and dangerously inefficient

2018-07-16 00:35:00 UTC  

But in a sense the 2nd and 3rd place winners COULD outdue the 1st place due to the alliance

2018-07-16 00:35:06 UTC  

Ergo the votes hardly matter

2018-07-16 00:36:04 UTC  

there are pros and cons to all of the systems of parliamentarism that currently exist

2018-07-16 00:38:12 UTC  

negative parliamentarism works fairly well here in Denmark, where minority governments can rule, provided they do not have a united opposition giving them a vote of no confidence. Allows for very centrist policy decisions to be made.

2018-07-16 00:38:30 UTC  

But again ignores the people.

2018-07-16 00:38:45 UTC  

Whats the point of voting if the opposite will happen?

2018-07-16 00:38:58 UTC  

It would be like everyone voting Tori and the Labor gets it

2018-07-16 00:39:04 UTC  

it is a representative democracy, not a direct one.

2018-07-16 00:39:12 UTC  

it's a republic