Message from @AsianMessiah

Discord ID: 475061772114591744


2018-08-03 21:54:25 UTC  

NP

2018-08-03 21:55:03 UTC  

First, we need to define what we mean by 'state', and its functions, as well as the relationship between it, and the citizens of said state.

2018-08-03 21:56:05 UTC  

The function of the state is to protect the rights of the citizenry, as well as their property.

*How* they do this can be up for debate

2018-08-03 21:56:43 UTC  

It can be as simple as a document, 'license' (like the GPL), or an industry standard

2018-08-03 21:57:02 UTC  

i disagree with your definition

2018-08-03 21:57:31 UTC  

how can your property be protected if it is routinely being taken away from you by the state involuntarily

2018-08-03 21:57:33 UTC  

?

2018-08-03 21:57:50 UTC  

Where in what I said, did I describe taxation?

2018-08-03 21:58:20 UTC  

You said that the states function is to protect its citizens property

2018-08-03 21:58:27 UTC  

I didn't say how though

2018-08-03 21:58:45 UTC  

fair, i assumed you implied taxation

2018-08-03 22:01:09 UTC  

In reality, the state only protects rights, and included in that is a citizens right to protect his property. Protection from foreign invaders is separate from that.

You can do this completely by yourself requiring no outside help, and the state only has to protect the 'framework' in which disputes are handled.

Namely, that's a court system. So you can have private arbiters, all using the same 'law standard' and that would be a 'state'.

2018-08-03 22:02:39 UTC  

a necessary feature of a state however is that it has the monopoly on "insert service here" over a geographical region. Therefore private alternatives are not possible

2018-08-03 22:02:50 UTC  

Is that necessary?

2018-08-03 22:02:56 UTC  

yes

2018-08-03 22:03:11 UTC  

The only monoply it needs to have, is that of laws, and national defense

2018-08-03 22:03:57 UTC  

Ok, granted those for the moment

2018-08-03 22:04:22 UTC  

Would this state engage in other activities besides from these services?

2018-08-03 22:04:50 UTC  

That all depends on your constitution, and the limitations it has within

2018-08-03 22:05:07 UTC  

It shouldn't have to

2018-08-03 22:05:52 UTC  

would the governnment be crowding out any other company from the markets it enters

2018-08-03 22:06:03 UTC  

if its funded through taxation?

2018-08-03 22:06:06 UTC  

What market is it entering?

2018-08-03 22:06:16 UTC  

lets say schools for example

2018-08-03 22:06:30 UTC  

Why is it controlling the schools?

2018-08-03 22:06:39 UTC  

That's not its job

2018-08-03 22:07:05 UTC  

According to the nations constitution its allowed to operate publically funded schools

2018-08-03 22:07:29 UTC  

That's your own problem, bud. We're talking about the hypothetical here

2018-08-03 22:08:00 UTC  

No im posing the argument on why the government should not enter markets

2018-08-03 22:08:04 UTC  

at all

2018-08-03 22:08:16 UTC  

because it crowds out alternatives

2018-08-03 22:08:19 UTC  

Yeah, I agree

2018-08-03 22:08:38 UTC  

Common defense, and a lawbook should not be marketable though

2018-08-03 22:09:08 UTC  

So ur a minarchist with the exceptions of Laws and Borders?

2018-08-03 22:09:29 UTC  

That *is* a minarchist. The necessary minimum.

2018-08-03 22:09:49 UTC  

Laws and borders are the only legitimate domain of the state

2018-08-03 22:10:22 UTC  

Would your "laws" include an executie, legislativa and judiciary branch?

2018-08-03 22:10:53 UTC  

That's all unnecessary overhead. What's the point of it?

Just print a lawbook.

2018-08-03 22:11:16 UTC  

would they need enforcement though (Executive)

2018-08-03 22:12:03 UTC  

People use private arbitration all the time, and when are you ever dealing with a federal entity in law?

2018-08-03 22:12:28 UTC  

ICE? an example off the top of my head of america