Message from @AsianMessiah

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2018-08-03 21:58:20 UTC  

You said that the states function is to protect its citizens property

2018-08-03 21:58:27 UTC  

I didn't say how though

2018-08-03 21:58:45 UTC  

fair, i assumed you implied taxation

2018-08-03 22:01:09 UTC  

In reality, the state only protects rights, and included in that is a citizens right to protect his property. Protection from foreign invaders is separate from that.

You can do this completely by yourself requiring no outside help, and the state only has to protect the 'framework' in which disputes are handled.

Namely, that's a court system. So you can have private arbiters, all using the same 'law standard' and that would be a 'state'.

2018-08-03 22:02:39 UTC  

a necessary feature of a state however is that it has the monopoly on "insert service here" over a geographical region. Therefore private alternatives are not possible

2018-08-03 22:02:50 UTC  

Is that necessary?

2018-08-03 22:02:56 UTC  

yes

2018-08-03 22:03:11 UTC  

The only monoply it needs to have, is that of laws, and national defense

2018-08-03 22:03:57 UTC  

Ok, granted those for the moment

2018-08-03 22:04:22 UTC  

Would this state engage in other activities besides from these services?

2018-08-03 22:04:50 UTC  

That all depends on your constitution, and the limitations it has within

2018-08-03 22:05:07 UTC  

It shouldn't have to

2018-08-03 22:05:52 UTC  

would the governnment be crowding out any other company from the markets it enters

2018-08-03 22:06:03 UTC  

if its funded through taxation?

2018-08-03 22:06:06 UTC  

What market is it entering?

2018-08-03 22:06:16 UTC  

lets say schools for example

2018-08-03 22:06:30 UTC  

Why is it controlling the schools?

2018-08-03 22:06:39 UTC  

That's not its job

2018-08-03 22:07:05 UTC  

According to the nations constitution its allowed to operate publically funded schools

2018-08-03 22:07:29 UTC  

That's your own problem, bud. We're talking about the hypothetical here

2018-08-03 22:08:00 UTC  

No im posing the argument on why the government should not enter markets

2018-08-03 22:08:04 UTC  

at all

2018-08-03 22:08:16 UTC  

because it crowds out alternatives

2018-08-03 22:08:19 UTC  

Yeah, I agree

2018-08-03 22:08:38 UTC  

Common defense, and a lawbook should not be marketable though

2018-08-03 22:09:08 UTC  

So ur a minarchist with the exceptions of Laws and Borders?

2018-08-03 22:09:29 UTC  

That *is* a minarchist. The necessary minimum.

2018-08-03 22:09:49 UTC  

Laws and borders are the only legitimate domain of the state

2018-08-03 22:10:22 UTC  

Would your "laws" include an executie, legislativa and judiciary branch?

2018-08-03 22:10:53 UTC  

That's all unnecessary overhead. What's the point of it?

Just print a lawbook.

2018-08-03 22:11:16 UTC  

would they need enforcement though (Executive)

2018-08-03 22:12:03 UTC  

People use private arbitration all the time, and when are you ever dealing with a federal entity in law?

2018-08-03 22:12:28 UTC  

ICE? an example off the top of my head of america

2018-08-03 22:12:43 UTC  

IDRK im not american

2018-08-03 22:12:44 UTC  

Border patrol?

2018-08-03 22:12:56 UTC  

Yes i guess so

2018-08-03 22:13:40 UTC  

So would you agree with the Saga period icelandic model of libertarianism where laws were decided by the state but they would needed to be enforced privately?

2018-08-03 22:14:06 UTC  

idk what that is, but sure. Common law, and common defense.

2018-08-03 22:14:26 UTC  

so a legislative branch only and border patrol?

2018-08-03 22:14:45 UTC  

Why even have a branch? Seriously?

2018-08-03 22:14:55 UTC  

just a placeholder