We have permanent settlements

Bedowins and tribesmen still mived around. Some would have perm settlements while others moved and traded with the perms

The first settlements didnt end hunt and gather. just expanded the gatherer so to speak

By the time a society reaches the point of a permanent settlement, you stop becoming a hunter gatherer society.

Of course Other societies still need to catch up

That came much later however

But this is besides the point

No that was your point

*when the first*

It wan example

Didnt want to delve too much into it

And again tons of those settlements were abandoned

Innovation mainly came from the currency of trade of knowledge

But that does not answer how it can be done if the global revolution never happens

The coutries that do not have revolution will just win.

Again

or without a huge drop in standard of living

Or from the need of wartime innovation

and near stop in innovation like medicine.

Not in the US

A need for another train track comes mostly by the need to have to transport more goods along it because it is reaching a point of inefficiency (consumption of fuel, carts and goods sent)

this was a huge issue in the soviet union

Since the overwhelming majority of that is private industry.

And china

They where reall inefficient at laying track that would bring resources where they needed to go

hell still are in places like laos, and cambodia

Nvm @Goblin_Slayer_Floki i misunderstood you

Of course but take into account the incredible difficult russian environement.

Yes but they have no indicators for how to efficently move and allocate resourses

Sobthey had a lot of waste

Production is a good indicator

Overbuilding and underbuilding

Units produced by time and consuption

Labor theory of value?

Overbuilding was certaiy an issue because of the terrible bureaucracy

^^^

This os true

But how else can you have government?

Decentralisation

The soviets did not have an answer for this

Smaller communities in charge of local production