Message from @Capitán Alatriste

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2018-08-09 01:54:02 UTC  

Think of the first settlements in the neolithic times. Agriculture is very vasic. However the more the population grows, the more scarcity and pressure there is. So you are forced to innovate to satisfy the growing demands. There is no competition present

2018-08-09 01:54:03 UTC  

Also how can this work if it not global?

2018-08-09 01:54:28 UTC  

The first settlements still moved or sent out long range hunters

2018-08-09 01:54:48 UTC  

Hunter gatherers had less famine than first agricultural societys

2018-08-09 01:54:54 UTC  

From what i have seen

2018-08-09 01:55:14 UTC  

By the time of thr first settlements hunter gatherer society had come to an end

2018-08-09 01:55:16 UTC  

Hell we dont even know how many settlements were simply abandoned due to scarcity

2018-08-09 01:55:29 UTC  

Um no.

2018-08-09 01:55:31 UTC  

This is not truw

2018-08-09 01:55:42 UTC  

We still have hunter gatherers today

2018-08-09 01:56:01 UTC  

But do they have permament settlements?

2018-08-09 01:56:14 UTC  

We have permanent settlements

2018-08-09 01:56:24 UTC  

Bedowins and tribesmen still mived around. Some would have perm settlements while others moved and traded with the perms

2018-08-09 01:56:51 UTC  

The first settlements didnt end hunt and gather. just expanded the gatherer so to speak

2018-08-09 01:56:55 UTC  

By the time a society reaches the point of a permanent settlement, you stop becoming a hunter gatherer society.

2018-08-09 01:57:13 UTC  

Of course Other societies still need to catch up

2018-08-09 01:57:19 UTC  

That came much later however

2018-08-09 01:57:29 UTC  

But this is besides the point

2018-08-09 01:57:40 UTC  

No that was your point

2018-08-09 01:57:50 UTC  

*when the first*

2018-08-09 01:57:55 UTC  

It wan example

2018-08-09 01:58:03 UTC  

Didnt want to delve too much into it

2018-08-09 01:58:09 UTC  

And again tons of those settlements were abandoned

2018-08-09 01:58:30 UTC  

Innovation mainly came from the currency of trade of knowledge

2018-08-09 01:58:45 UTC  

But that does not answer how it can be done if the global revolution never happens

2018-08-09 01:59:05 UTC  

The coutries that do not have revolution will just win.

2018-08-09 01:59:08 UTC  

Again

2018-08-09 01:59:12 UTC  

or without a huge drop in standard of living

2018-08-09 01:59:35 UTC  

Or from the need of wartime innovation

2018-08-09 01:59:39 UTC  

and near stop in innovation like medicine.

2018-08-09 01:59:49 UTC  

Not in the US

2018-08-09 01:59:58 UTC  

A need for another train track comes mostly by the need to have to transport more goods along it because it is reaching a point of inefficiency (consumption of fuel, carts and goods sent)

2018-08-09 02:00:15 UTC  

this was a huge issue in the soviet union

2018-08-09 02:00:20 UTC  

Since the overwhelming majority of that is private industry.

2018-08-09 02:00:23 UTC  

And china

2018-08-09 02:00:48 UTC  

They where reall inefficient at laying track that would bring resources where they needed to go

2018-08-09 02:01:42 UTC  

hell still are in places like laos, and cambodia

2018-08-09 02:01:45 UTC  

Nvm @Goblin_Slayer_Floki i misunderstood you

2018-08-09 02:01:53 UTC  

Of course but take into account the incredible difficult russian environement.

2018-08-09 02:02:28 UTC  

Yes but they have no indicators for how to efficently move and allocate resourses

2018-08-09 02:02:35 UTC  

Sobthey had a lot of waste