Civilisation is gay. I'm waiting for the nukes to drop so I can finally have my anprim paradise.

You can't expect the church to give shelter to every homeless person around the country

@Kscope I don't owe you a god damned thing, greyfag. I'm having a discussion here.

+reintegration etc

Im asking you to justify your claims, its in your perogative to justify them if you want to prove you're correct

@Ruggwain I can't expect the gov't to do the same for any less, or better

@Kscope I think he just couldn't be bothered to write every single exception and maybe you shouldn't grandstand on such a nitpicky thing

Its not nitpicky though, hes making an ancap argument

Well, social housing is on a grander and more effective scale

im asking him to justify this, if he doesnt actually believe that then he should say he doesnt

@Ruggwain Yes, but who pays for it?

The government is ineffective but expecting the church to fulfill functions outside of their perview is even worse

there's a lot of fucking people who believe that the governments only job is to protect the borders

@Ruggwain Church, NGO, non profit, you name it

Everyone pays for it because everyone benefits

@Kscope Nigga what?

@xX_NotVergil_Xx Ancap's believe that the role of government is purely defense

The free market doesn't even have interest in sustaining these things. What interest does the free market have in social benefits?

piss off ancaps, you only want to seek capitalist monarchy not democracy.

@Ruggwain Okay, but is the gov't better at negotiating lower construction costs, bidding out contractors, etc?

I've been saying it for years. Anarcho-Fascism is the way to go.

anarcho-fascism

> The free market doesn't even have interest in sustaining these things. What interest does the free market have in social benefits?

You can say this for any existing non profit right now. Yet, they still exist.

Also, as the taxation for welfare increases, the amount of money donated to non profits and churches decreases, yet they still exist. Imagine the work they could do with more income?

the liberals created benefits, because they realized that men that are conscripted into war want a little kick back from society

thats pretty much how it got started

Do private companies have nothing to gain from virtue signalling to customers about their good will?

(like the Ronald Mcdonald house?)

To my knowledge they do fine in regards to social housing but I don't have any information at hand regarding the rest of welfare infrastructure since that's admittedly insider info neither of us is likely to know unless we've been there ourselves 🤔

And these non-profits exist because of the as you say voluntary kindness of certain individuals. I don't see the number of generous people suddenly spiking when welfare is abolished. I don't see why we should essentially punish people for their generosity. Forcing people to help each other can be seen as as much of a intrusion into personal freedoms if not more than taxation.

> Forcing people to help each other can be seen as as much of a intrusion into personal freedoms if not more than taxation.

Yes

That's what welfare is

No

Welfare isn't forcing you to nurse your neighboir and shelter the downtown homeless does it?

Doesn't it?

No that's a silly thing to suggest

Wait no its not

wait.... your welfare doesn't do that?

The money that goes into welfare comes from taxation

You are giving your money to institutions that priviledge the good people in society by relieving them of the conscience while punishing the greedy. This is a largely moral fabric. If you do not care about morals but you do about principle and pragmatism, welfare levels the playing field. The free market as per Ricardo is designed to foster a healthy market environment. But as Ricardo also wrote 'Beware of Capitalists'. It's not good to have the state in control of your health, else you'll end up with the nhs killing babies. It's not good to have private companies in control of your health, else you'll have the American pill-mania or for example the purchase of the rights to a certain drug and spiking of prices as we have seen in the past few years. That is why a hybrid system of private insurance companies and basic stage welfare ensures the moral and pragmatic standpoints. There is little you can do about principle, as you sacrifice part of your rights, to obtain different rights, not priviledges as the state cannot revoke them as per constitutions of most social market welfare states.

Hmm.....