Message from @Thomas the Sowell Train [USA]

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2018-08-21 22:13:02 UTC  

Stick to fucking astrophysics

2018-08-21 22:15:00 UTC  

Also Ana Kasparian, having called Rubin an "intellectual lightweight", now wants to debate him https://twitter.com/AnaKasparian/status/1032009839709278208

2018-08-21 22:15:38 UTC  

the strange thing about truth is that it can be right even from two totally different kinds of angles. so it demands that it get to be free and it up to the person that see it if it is true or not

2018-08-21 22:16:45 UTC  

and Ministry of Truths thends to end up as Ministry of Lies

2018-08-21 22:19:10 UTC  

Yeah it's a terrible idea that shows a fundamental misunderstanding of government. As soon as the wrong people are put in charge of this so called Ministry of Truth, it won't be fitting of its name any more.

2018-08-21 22:20:32 UTC  

Why do you think scientists are so attracted to socialism?

2018-08-21 22:21:19 UTC  

low understanding of it sosial impact. a lot of smart people cant human very well

2018-08-21 22:23:01 UTC  

witch is strange as under socialism the science tends to stop all up, and they end up relying on stealing from capitalistic nations

2018-08-21 22:27:16 UTC  

Scientists probably like socialism because they are good with systems and they like systems, but not knowing much about politics or economics they mistakenly believe that a planned economy is a good idea.

2018-08-21 22:28:37 UTC  

tl;dr - They're scientists, not people

2018-08-21 22:29:58 UTC  

It doesn't really matter what else you know, if you don't know at least some of the basics about economics, you're only lucky if you happen to support the policies which would actually be beneficial.

2018-08-21 22:30:23 UTC  

Studying economics changes peoples political opinions more than any other field of study.

2018-08-21 22:31:00 UTC  

are not economics the field with most conservative people in it?

2018-08-21 22:31:16 UTC  

Pretty much, conservative and libertarian.

2018-08-21 22:31:53 UTC  

Which in my opinion are the two political ideologies worth debating between.

2018-08-21 22:31:59 UTC  

and it said if you want to make a person conservative over night, make him rich

2018-08-21 22:33:39 UTC  

yea I lean as a right leaning liberteran. I want freedom to do what ever I want reasonable inside the law and that my government dont spend my tax money like a drunk sailor on shore leave

2018-08-21 22:37:10 UTC  

You've got Mises and Cato, both Libertarian think tanks full of economists

You see any socialist think tanks full of economists?

2018-08-21 22:37:49 UTC  

kenyesians aren't economists
change my mind

2018-08-21 22:38:26 UTC  

most of the socialist think tanks I have seen is full of hippes and delusinal dreamers that have not been outside since 1976

2018-08-21 22:40:19 UTC  

Conservatives and libertarians just disagree on things like military interventionism, military spending, military deterrents, trade, and social liberalism. Probably either system would sustain a society just fine but the debate is about which would be best to promote freedom.

2018-08-21 22:41:18 UTC  

Oh, I guess I should include immigration if we're including all the libertarians.

2018-08-21 22:48:12 UTC  

This is an excerpt from a really good talk on the disparities of opinion between Economists and the general public https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du2TTDEb5AY

2018-08-21 23:14:57 UTC  

@Fitzydog there are think tanks with economists in them

2018-08-21 23:15:27 UTC  

As @Deleted User says, Keynesians aren't real economists lol

2018-08-21 23:15:42 UTC  

Well

2018-08-21 23:15:46 UTC  

why is that?

2018-08-21 23:16:08 UTC  

What's wrong with Keynesianism?

2018-08-21 23:24:19 UTC  

They think you can plan an economy. It's essentially socialism wrapped in mathematics, to try and get what they want

2018-08-21 23:28:19 UTC  

Keynesian theory is valid and proven

2018-08-21 23:28:52 UTC  

though not *planning* the economy, it is more of "jumpstarting" it

2018-08-21 23:30:12 UTC  

Keynesians believe that the economy is demand driven, and that using government expenditure you increase said demand

2018-08-21 23:31:15 UTC  

Ehh....

2018-08-21 23:42:17 UTC  

> theory
> proven

bruh

2018-08-21 23:43:11 UTC  

I'm a fan of Austrian economics, tbh

2018-08-21 23:43:19 UTC  

Makes the most sense

2018-08-21 23:48:32 UTC  

I think a mix of keynes and Hayek would make the most sense

2018-08-21 23:49:00 UTC  

Internal free trade with government spending where it is nessesary

2018-08-21 23:49:21 UTC  

And some protectionist measures internationally

2018-08-21 23:53:17 UTC  

@Thomas the Sowell Train [USA] FDR's New Deal, though before Keynes published his *General Theory of Labour, Interest and Money* showed how important government intervention could be, in a time dominated by classical and austrian economics

2018-08-21 23:53:38 UTC  

the latter theories, being the reason the economy went bust