"Turks, seriously, they're terrible."

Hhaahaahah

"Actually, no, they're muslims. All muslims are the same, just help me.|"

hehe

Yeah lmao

And I guess the west of europe didnt help?

help with what

lol

Considering the downfall of the byzantines

ahhh

help the byzantines

right, yeah they kind of ignored them

they didn't care about the byzantines at all

i dont know if the pope outright considered them heretical

but they didn't care for them anyway

besides, europeans were busy fighting each other

the crusades were purely for self gain

the 'help' was an excuse to go and visit

in 1204 ad, the 'latins' (as the byzantines called them) conquered constantinople for about 60 years

byzantines are more accurately greeks

and the mixed peoples of anatolia (modern turkey)

wait, was this when salladin ruled the ayybid sultanate?

yeah around that time

saladin was 12th century

Ahh okay. Then I understand

glad i could help

lol

Yeah thanks man!

learned all that from listening to podcasts and reading wiki

good to have a clear view of that stuff, just because people will try to push an agenda

even ancient history can be used for that, at least among more right leaning people, i think

Hmm. True.

like eg. 'the crusaders were tough and brave'... no they were just thugs motivated by self gain and fanatical religion when it suited them (like a lot of other historical warriors)

you should actually listen to (or read; I listened to it) Tom Holland's 'In the Shadow of the Sword' some time

it's an interesting book

it talks about origins of islam, and what happened before and lead up to that

Yes. I'll be sure to see if I can find it in the library.

maybe a bit biased, but so long as you keep an open mind

To which side is he biased?

imo, against islam

but other people might say he's neutral