Message from @DanConway

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2018-10-24 23:19:10 UTC  

every society and nation has developed in their own way through their own methods. Seeing the European model as the singular model which would have eventually be applied to everyone else is false. The argument that the Meso Americans or Subsaharan African tribes would eventually reach our level of development is not true, because the prerequisites weren't there or would never have reached them

2018-10-25 01:23:05 UTC  

^This guy thinks they were to retarded

2018-10-25 01:32:34 UTC  

I mean they had the same amount of time as the rest of the world to invent stuff... and stayed at lower than Bronze Age.

2018-10-25 01:33:43 UTC  

In Guns, Germs and Steel it’s explained that that is due to many factors

2018-10-25 01:33:48 UTC  

ehhhhhhhhh

2018-10-25 01:33:48 UTC  

Most of them geographical

2018-10-25 01:34:01 UTC  

Guns Germs and steel is a good start

2018-10-25 01:34:16 UTC  

I think the reason most societies evolved well is because they learned to produce enough food

2018-10-25 01:34:26 UTC  

For the society as a whole to progress

2018-10-25 01:34:50 UTC  

If you have enough food, then you don’t need every individual from the tribe to go hunting or fishing or whatever

2018-10-25 01:35:34 UTC  

At that moment, the tribe organizes itself into a hierarchy capable of defending itself from other tribes

2018-10-25 01:36:36 UTC  

And you get urban-agricultural societies in which you have a town with farms surrounding it, with a farming class that produces food for the whole town

2018-10-25 01:36:53 UTC  

And the soldier class protecting the farmers from outside threats

2018-10-25 01:37:33 UTC  

When there isn’t any fertile ground or agricultural method to make plenty of food, you retain a hunter-gatherer society

2018-10-25 01:37:39 UTC  

Where every day people scrape for food

2018-10-25 01:37:46 UTC  

I think the reason the west succeeded where other people failed is complicated

2018-10-25 01:37:59 UTC  

but it starts with the idea of a rational logical god

2018-10-25 01:38:08 UTC  

and the world conforms to that concept

2018-10-25 01:38:09 UTC  

It’s mostly luck that we had certain individuals come up with good ideas

2018-10-25 01:38:23 UTC  

Like the steam engine or other stuff like that

2018-10-25 01:38:44 UTC  

Rational god=Rational consistent measurable universe

2018-10-25 01:38:58 UTC  

Or the French Revolution, where a crazy idea was put into practice

2018-10-25 01:39:06 UTC  

...

2018-10-25 01:39:14 UTC  

And through a lot of shit, made way for broad democratization in the long term

2018-10-25 01:39:17 UTC  

Across the globe

2018-10-25 01:39:20 UTC  

The french revolution was a horrible condition

2018-10-25 01:39:36 UTC  

Bastile day is a lie

2018-10-25 01:39:53 UTC  

True, but the idea of the people ruling themselves and not a godgiven monarch was an insane idea at the time

2018-10-25 01:40:39 UTC  

That was not what happened

2018-10-25 01:40:53 UTC  

People do not "rule" themselves

2018-10-25 01:41:06 UTC  

I think i worded it wrongly

2018-10-25 01:41:09 UTC  

I meant to say

2018-10-25 01:41:22 UTC  

The people electing officials to govern in their name

2018-10-25 01:41:27 UTC  

Popular sovereignty

2018-10-25 01:41:39 UTC  

Republicanism and aristocracy balanced makes a better society

2018-10-25 01:41:55 UTC  

more absolute democracy is a mob

2018-10-25 01:41:57 UTC  

The third estate effectively running the country

2018-10-25 01:42:16 UTC  

Absolute direct democracy might be a noble idea on paper but it doesnt work

2018-10-25 01:42:21 UTC  

Look at ancient athens

2018-10-25 01:42:26 UTC  

I agree

2018-10-25 01:42:32 UTC  

Every day they had to drag people out of their houses