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Alright, well you continue working with your one dimensional Webster's definition
Conservatives before were pro monarchy. Then later some were pro revolution. And so on
This isnt just webster but the history
The first established use of the term in a political context originated in 1818 with François-René de Chateaubriand[5] during the period of Bourbon Restoration that sought to roll back the policies of the French Revolution. Historically associated with right-wing politics, the term has since been used to describe a wide range of views. There is no single set of policies regarded as conservative because the meaning of conservatism depends on what is considered traditional in a given place and time. Thus conservatives from different parts of the world—each upholding their respective traditions—may disagree on a wide range of issues. Edmund Burke, an 18th-century politician who opposed the French Revolution but supported the American Revolution, is credited as one of the main theorists of conservatism in Great Britain in the 1790s.
And I'm telling you that "Conservatism" is a fully fleshed out ideology just the same as others
There is no single set of policies regarded as conservative, because the meaning of conservatism depends on what is tradition at that givr place and time.
Conservative isn't just a synonym for "those who maintain the status quo"
Its derived from traditionalism
We are talking about 2018 specifically
Yes and conservatives around the world still have different views
Hell conservatives IN THE US have different views of what is tradition
Some do believe the 40s 50s is the american tradition, some have modernized.
But the key is. Liberalism and progressivism is always bringing changes to the traditions. Conservatives figure what is traditional and try to protect it.
Kinda two sides of the same coin and a great balancer
idk, I don't see how Liberalism can lead to social changes with defined principles.
It should be a constant
@Goblin_Slayer_Floki that was a pretty good read
I didnt say that. I meant they check and balance each other. While one advicates for needed changes. The other weights it against traditions and values and supports or fights the changes
Ideally.
Maybe I'm so much of a traditionalist that I dont see the need to advocate for any future unforseeable changes
we need YUUUUGE changes
The best changes, believe me
Well yeah, but that's not what I meant.
As in, we don't need to be prepared to fight a 'future problem' that we haven't anticipated, with a policy change that is either left or right wing
Like, the whole idea of 'needed changes' is fundamentally flawed on both accounts, because there's no need to be changing anything anymore.
Anything you advocate for to be changed shouldn't be the role of government in the first place and is just a poorly concealed attempt at a power grab/posturing for tyrannical control over people.
What, do you anticipate that in the future we might have to advocate for the right of dogs to be considered citizens, and that we need a progressive party to be their savior?
No, it's fucking retarded.
It's also not Left wing
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The issue is your looking at future. When the key of the two has always been present.
The present of the 1800s was slaves were freed and so in an attempt to change the status quo the slaves and their babies were given citizenship. The conservatives of the time (which were democrats) were against the liberals of the time.
Again liberal and conservative isnt a left/right idea. Or a democrat/republocan idea.
And as i said the "tradition" does change over time and location. So later on it was adopted as tradition by conservatives. And so on.
Just like before conservatives were pro monarchy, but supported the american revolution.
GET FUCKED
So your saying
Theres a chance 🤔