I think that guy really captures the level of anger that the average person needs to have toward their government selling them out

I'll check it out

Everyone should have contempt for their government.

It keeps it properly in check.

we should refrain from allowing our subjects to hold votes that may not result in the things we want

or, ya know, make them repeat said vote until it comes out in our favour

***d e m o c r a c y***

yea, even here in Norway some party's want a third eu vote now even after we did say definably NO two times before

*"Jean-Claude Junckersaid: “We can't deny or take away the people of Europe's right to express their views"*
Also from the article btw

so it's all lies then

Sounds like doublespeak

He says that he can't take their right to express theit views, but holding a referendum would show opinioms based on very current and temporary crises

as long it not in conflict with the values of the EU, if you say something else gestapo will come and have a talk with you

@Nordhand That is the leftist way - keep voting until they get the vote that they want

and then we never going let you vote when we get what we want

it is the leftist way

wasn't there a German couple that got arrested for a migrant critical Facebook group?

@turtwig This is fine in the EU. Isn't that right, @Capitán Alatriste?

So are blasphemy laws in Austria

but fitzy, they were being *nazis* duh

Ahh of course.

But isn't everyone a Nazi?

at this point yea

I'm just waiting for the cognitive dissonance of the Spaniard to show up again

and the migration pact criminalises criticising migration?

idk a lot about that one tho

you all are talking about subjects that have already been co-opted by leftist subversion of your respective governments

It's like the American Civil Rights act on steroids

Calling him a spainard would imply that he likes his country

@Fitzydog what is fine?

He would sell it out to the EU in a heartbeat

@Capitán Alatriste Blasphemy laws and criminalized speech

Of course it's not

So why do you still defend this shit?

The EU does nothing better that individual agreements couldn't do as well

I'm not defending these things

I never have

I defend the European Economic project of free trade of people, capital and goods. An integtrated European bloc

to bad that EU is dead, the current EU is the creation of a European super state that is run by a uber class of unelected nobles

ein volk ein reich ein führer

I wonder what will happen once the EU finally collapses

Not unelected. The EU is a representative democracy by which you directly elect your MEPs, these in turn elect the president of the EU parliament. The EU commission composed of the all PMs of eacg EU state, which you directly elect, elect the president of the EU commission

it's the United States of Europe