alternative is that, because birth rates are low, then welfare can't be supported

You don't need welfare with less people, because then employment is scarce and wages go up

lol yea

but the argument is that they can't pay their taxes

because taxes have to go up

It's a false equivalency

along with wages

how is it false tho

more people in retirement means more taxes needed to support them

The argument is that you need migrants to replace your population, to support the old people

yeah but lets look at the context surrounding that argument

If people earn more, then you get more taxes, yes?

the argument is longer than that

the conclusion to the argument is you need more migrants

If people earn more, that means more people in higher tax brackets

and that culture change is inevitable

Says who?

You?

unless birth rates of natives can be encouraged

well i say that, because when there's a large amount of immigration, it happens

which you agreed with

Sounds like you've swallowed too much soyboy jizz

haha no

read my argument

I did

did you

The whole premise is wrong

okay, well your argument was that wages would go up because employment is down

but taxes will also have to rise

will wages be enough to pay for the taxes needed

for the retirement budget

because govt is at least going to have support the poor in retirement

I'd reply, but you keep on typing and I don't get a chance to respond.

they could take away retirement, but the only way the people would approve of that solution is when things get really bad

ok, im almost done

people never actually agree with the govt when they say they don't have enough money, it always comes across like an excuse or something - and higher taxes when they can't pay them wouldn't go over well, especially if they need to tax the poor higher too

things would have to get really bad before people agree to austerity

isn't that generally how it is

ok im done

You're forgetting about the low-skilled, low-income welfare recipients, which would no longer be on welfare because their wages are increased, and they are employed.

So now that section of welfare spending is now diverted to the elderly.

All of this assumes welfare is a good idea in the first place, which I don't believe is so.

You're bringing in migrants, to help support a welfare scheme that was doomed to fail from the start, and was never the purpose of your government in the first place.