Message from @Guy
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Ah?
Yes
Even if that's a good thing that's also something I'd throw in the irrelevancy pile tbh
If a man's sexist, why would you do that? lol
If we're trying to establish him as racist or sexist or something, we need something *general*
Well that is true
Also, *who cares?*
But one could say "if he wasn't sexist, why would he talk about the pussy-grabbing like that?"
It's a pretty subjective argument
what would you consider general? i dont get that
What about it is untrue?
Well, being able to say "America has a racist president" "America has a sexist president" and being technically correct
I'd say is important
My president is not my moral arbiter
are you looking for information in order to debate your teacher?
ha
(Don't do that)
No, but it's a marker of history and social progress. And ultimately, that social progress is something that will have an impact on the way you interact with others. So, knowing the reality of our government is pretty important
I don't really care to convince her
She's not a great person
Who are you to decide social progress?
In what way do you mean that?
I'm not "deciding social progress"
Someone has to define it
It's a subjective term
Oh right
I mean it as in that, we need to know the society we live in is one where racism and sexism and, in general, discrimination, is "passable", "accepted", "fought", etc. And to assess that, you need to look at different levels: popular activism, the way of the market, the government, etc.
Looking at it this way, I'd say knowing whether or not the president believes in racial discrimination plays a huge role in knowing our own social climate.
are you in high school? just wondering
Not for much longer.
ok
@Guy I discriminate against people all the time.
Also, the definition of racism keeps changing, and 'sexism' today is 'chivalry' 40 years ago
Right, language is fluid, everything is transitory. I'll just establish as part of the terms of whichever debate I'm a part of, that racism is discrimination based upon race, ethnicity or skin color and sexism is discrimination based upon sex.
Is that alright to do?
Fair enough, but that's not what I'm getting at
Do you consider 2019 to be more 'socially progressive' than 1957? I would assume you do.
Why? It is *different*, but is it *better?*
And you're right in discriminating against people (I do watch Sargon and that revelation did hit me!)... It's just discrimination because uncontrollable assets of a person at birth such as race, etc. that is often immoral (depending how you define discrimination at this point)
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