Message from @Guy
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But one could say "if he wasn't sexist, why would he talk about the pussy-grabbing like that?"
It's a pretty subjective argument
what would you consider general? i dont get that
What about it is untrue?
Well, being able to say "America has a racist president" "America has a sexist president" and being technically correct
I'd say is important
My president is not my moral arbiter
are you looking for information in order to debate your teacher?
ha
(Don't do that)
No, but it's a marker of history and social progress. And ultimately, that social progress is something that will have an impact on the way you interact with others. So, knowing the reality of our government is pretty important
Honestly, I don't know
I don't really care to convince her
She's not a great person
Who are you to decide social progress?
In what way do you mean that?
I'm not "deciding social progress"
Someone has to define it
It's a subjective term
I mean it as in that, we need to know the society we live in is one where racism and sexism and, in general, discrimination, is "passable", "accepted", "fought", etc. And to assess that, you need to look at different levels: popular activism, the way of the market, the government, etc.
Looking at it this way, I'd say knowing whether or not the president believes in racial discrimination plays a huge role in knowing our own social climate.
are you in high school? just wondering
Not for much longer.
ok
@Guy I discriminate against people all the time.
Also, the definition of racism keeps changing, and 'sexism' today is 'chivalry' 40 years ago
Right, language is fluid, everything is transitory. I'll just establish as part of the terms of whichever debate I'm a part of, that racism is discrimination based upon race, ethnicity or skin color and sexism is discrimination based upon sex.
Is that alright to do?
Fair enough, but that's not what I'm getting at
Do you consider 2019 to be more 'socially progressive' than 1957? I would assume you do.
Why? It is *different*, but is it *better?*
And you're right in discriminating against people (I do watch Sargon and that revelation did hit me!)... It's just discrimination because uncontrollable assets of a person at birth such as race, etc. that is often immoral (depending how you define discrimination at this point)
To you
Don't assume that
I haven't made that claim
Also, what is the list of 'uncontrollable' assets now?
Is that gender? Sexuality? Ideology?
that social climate thing is pretty tricky for a few reason, the number one reason probably being the fake outrage and twisting of definitions doesn't give you a clear image of reality when it comes to actual racism and sexism, nor does what the president believes.
We're kind of getting to the big problem when it comes to talking about... humans, in general. Things can be made very subjective, very easily
Also... why would ideology be uncrontrollable
youd need to have mental problems