Message from @Thomas the Sowell Train [USA]

Discord ID: 537937287246512129


2019-01-24 09:59:33 UTC  

This time, include an explanatory clause that says "fuck communism" in however many words.

2019-01-24 09:59:44 UTC  

In fact, we should get one of those in *our* constitution.

2019-01-24 10:00:48 UTC  

I disagree, that would prevent freedom of political expression and affiliation.

2019-01-24 10:01:13 UTC  

It would be convenient yes

2019-01-24 10:01:39 UTC  

But then the same rule is used elsewhere, because precedent.

2019-01-24 10:02:00 UTC  

Which is why I hate precedent.

2019-01-24 10:04:01 UTC  

I'm perfectly okay with barring communists from holding political office, their ideology is in stark contrast to our entire system of government.

2019-01-24 10:04:06 UTC  

Explicitly so.

2019-01-24 10:04:40 UTC  

Their ideas are already literally unconstitutional through and through.

2019-01-24 10:05:53 UTC  

So having a law that bars communists from office is quite simply a protection of the republic and constitution, but that has nothing to do with "freedom of expression" regarding the rights of citizens.

2019-01-24 10:07:11 UTC  

So what about the right to run for public office?

2019-01-24 10:08:06 UTC  

Slope is more slippery than convenient.

2019-01-24 10:08:12 UTC  

You're not allowed to buy a gun if you tell the seller you plan to kill someone with it.

2019-01-24 10:08:14 UTC  

Same concept.

2019-01-24 10:08:56 UTC  

So you can if you just don't say itl then kill someone later.

2019-01-24 10:09:23 UTC  

Right.

2019-01-24 10:09:42 UTC  

But it's still illegal to kill someone, just like if we found out you were a commie you'd get the boot.

2019-01-24 10:09:48 UTC  

So you can be a communist, just not while running. Only once elected.

2019-01-24 10:09:54 UTC  

nooo

2019-01-24 10:10:35 UTC  

Also remember McCarthyism.

2019-01-24 10:10:43 UTC  

The laws should simply recognize what is already true, that allegiance to communism violates the constitutional oath.

2019-01-24 10:10:53 UTC  

Easy to call someone a communist

2019-01-24 10:11:57 UTC  

Yes but if you accuse someone of murder without evidence, you can get in quite a lot of trouble yourself.

2019-01-24 10:12:21 UTC  

Plus this would give commies a legitimate grievance. Besides. If everyone votes to be communist, then hey, their choice.

2019-01-24 10:13:09 UTC  

So what? At least they can't hold office.

2019-01-24 10:13:17 UTC  

It's the law.

2019-01-24 10:13:40 UTC  

And that is ignoring the will of the people.

2019-01-24 10:13:50 UTC  

this isn't a democracy

2019-01-24 10:13:52 UTC  

it's a republic

2019-01-24 10:13:56 UTC  

Law is predicated upon their will

2019-01-24 10:14:55 UTC  

And theoretically, you can say anything is the will of the people, but that has nothing to do with what is right and what is wrong.

2019-01-24 10:15:13 UTC  

I'm saying it would be right to bar communists from holding offices in government.

2019-01-24 10:15:28 UTC  

What you propose violates several God given rights. Also, if the people want to be wrong, they are allowed to.

2019-01-24 10:15:56 UTC  

You have the right to bear arms, but if you threaten to kill somebody with the gun you are being sold, you are not to be sold that gun.

2019-01-24 10:15:58 UTC  

Trust me when I say most Venezuelans would approve an American intervention

2019-01-24 10:16:10 UTC  

Youre making me defend commies man, this sucks

2019-01-24 10:16:10 UTC  

Doesn't make it right.

2019-01-24 10:16:58 UTC  

As I said before, the state should not be the one to fix Venezuela, it should have a minor role that encourages market forces and charity to do the work.

2019-01-24 10:17:01 UTC  

Self-determination means the freedom to make mistakes.

2019-01-24 10:17:45 UTC  

Venezuelans have to fix venezuela

2019-01-24 10:17:49 UTC  

exactly