Message from @EnderOctanus

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2019-01-24 09:55:06 UTC  

Sure

2019-01-24 09:56:02 UTC  

So someone has to step in with enough deterrence to make everyone honor a truce or whatever or the economy can never regenerate.

2019-01-24 09:56:04 UTC  

My point is, the state having centralized power is what created the mess in the first place.

2019-01-24 09:56:14 UTC  

Yes.

2019-01-24 09:57:16 UTC  

Well. More than that happened, but yeah. It basically became a monarchy.

2019-01-24 09:57:36 UTC  

Then the king died

2019-01-24 09:58:07 UTC  

What they should do optimally is draft a constitution based on the American constitution and have a fresh republic.

2019-01-24 09:58:22 UTC  

***F R E S H***

2019-01-24 09:58:45 UTC  

That is the thing, they had one and it got tossed out the window.

2019-01-24 09:59:09 UTC  

But the guy had all the guns so

2019-01-24 09:59:33 UTC  

This time, include an explanatory clause that says "fuck communism" in however many words.

2019-01-24 09:59:44 UTC  

In fact, we should get one of those in *our* constitution.

2019-01-24 10:00:48 UTC  

I disagree, that would prevent freedom of political expression and affiliation.

2019-01-24 10:01:13 UTC  

It would be convenient yes

2019-01-24 10:01:39 UTC  

But then the same rule is used elsewhere, because precedent.

2019-01-24 10:02:00 UTC  

Which is why I hate precedent.

2019-01-24 10:04:01 UTC  

I'm perfectly okay with barring communists from holding political office, their ideology is in stark contrast to our entire system of government.

2019-01-24 10:04:06 UTC  

Explicitly so.

2019-01-24 10:04:40 UTC  

Their ideas are already literally unconstitutional through and through.

2019-01-24 10:05:53 UTC  

So having a law that bars communists from office is quite simply a protection of the republic and constitution, but that has nothing to do with "freedom of expression" regarding the rights of citizens.

2019-01-24 10:07:11 UTC  

So what about the right to run for public office?

2019-01-24 10:08:06 UTC  

Slope is more slippery than convenient.

2019-01-24 10:08:12 UTC  

You're not allowed to buy a gun if you tell the seller you plan to kill someone with it.

2019-01-24 10:08:14 UTC  

Same concept.

2019-01-24 10:08:56 UTC  

So you can if you just don't say itl then kill someone later.

2019-01-24 10:09:23 UTC  

Right.

2019-01-24 10:09:42 UTC  

But it's still illegal to kill someone, just like if we found out you were a commie you'd get the boot.

2019-01-24 10:09:48 UTC  

So you can be a communist, just not while running. Only once elected.

2019-01-24 10:09:54 UTC  

nooo

2019-01-24 10:10:35 UTC  

Also remember McCarthyism.

2019-01-24 10:10:43 UTC  

The laws should simply recognize what is already true, that allegiance to communism violates the constitutional oath.

2019-01-24 10:10:53 UTC  

Easy to call someone a communist

2019-01-24 10:11:57 UTC  

Yes but if you accuse someone of murder without evidence, you can get in quite a lot of trouble yourself.

2019-01-24 10:12:21 UTC  

Plus this would give commies a legitimate grievance. Besides. If everyone votes to be communist, then hey, their choice.

2019-01-24 10:13:09 UTC  

So what? At least they can't hold office.

2019-01-24 10:13:17 UTC  

It's the law.

2019-01-24 10:13:40 UTC  

And that is ignoring the will of the people.

2019-01-24 10:13:50 UTC  

this isn't a democracy

2019-01-24 10:13:52 UTC  

it's a republic

2019-01-24 10:13:56 UTC  

Law is predicated upon their will

2019-01-24 10:14:55 UTC  

And theoretically, you can say anything is the will of the people, but that has nothing to do with what is right and what is wrong.